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Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now?

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  • bartvdo@mastodon.socialB bartvdo@mastodon.social

    @marekfort when you see minimum ages (18 or 16/13) it means that they want to market to you and will probably share your data with third parties.

    mdione@en.osm.townM This user is from outside of this forum
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    mdione@en.osm.town
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    @bartvdo @marekfort they say they don't sell your data...

    Now, nobody said anything about giving it away for free!

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    • jimmylittle@hachyderm.ioJ jimmylittle@hachyderm.io

      @techokami @marekfort @Gargron I repeat…

      Lawyers ruin everything. 🫠

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      #62

      @jimmylittle @marekfort @Gargron take a step back and reassess the question.
      *Why* does *A TEXT EDITOR* require a ToS? What is the text editor *DOING* that makes this something that is even needed in the first place?

      I looked into it, and apparently it's because this editor is filled to the brim with AI generative bullshit.

      Why does such a thing need to exist?

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      • gereon@chaos.socialG gereon@chaos.social

        @tsturm I think I‘m gonna give Gram a try … https://gram.liten.app

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        #63

        @gereon @tsturm saw the Gram fork the other day in a different place. I'm not a Zed user, but the Gram author certainly seem to have the right idea on their blog:

        https://gram.liten.app/posts/go-slow-and-fix-things/
        https://gram.liten.app/posts/why/

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        • techokami@woof.techT techokami@woof.tech

          @jimmylittle @marekfort @Gargron take a step back and reassess the question.
          *Why* does *A TEXT EDITOR* require a ToS? What is the text editor *DOING* that makes this something that is even needed in the first place?

          I looked into it, and apparently it's because this editor is filled to the brim with AI generative bullshit.

          Why does such a thing need to exist?

          jeremiahfieldhaven@mastodon.gamedev.placeJ This user is from outside of this forum
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          jeremiahfieldhaven@mastodon.gamedev.place
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          #64

          @techokami @jimmylittle @marekfort And telemetry. Why does a text editor need telemetry? *Excellent question!*

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          • marekfort@mastodon.onlineM marekfort@mastodon.online

            Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now? 🤔

            ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA This user is from outside of this forum
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            #65

            @marekfort sigh, I swear, every time I use something that isn't idealistically OSS, it burns me in some way or the other.

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            • marekfort@mastodon.onlineM marekfort@mastodon.online

              Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now? 🤔

              residuum@digitalcourage.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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              residuum@digitalcourage.social
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              #66

              @marekfort
              Me RN.

              $ flatpak remove Zed

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              • marekfort@mastodon.onlineM marekfort@mastodon.online

                Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now? 🤔

                sofia@bottom.businessS This user is from outside of this forum
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                #67

                @marekfort@mastodon.online
                if that agreement is for the editor itself, that is unambiguously against the GPL's "further restrictions" clause

                You may not impose any further restrictions on the exercise of the rights granted or affirmed under this License
                as such rights include
                This License explicitly affirms your unlimited permission to run the unmodified Program
                though if it refers so a serverside component i'm not sure how that might work out

                it's also worth noting that zed requires a CLA, so that technically doesn't allow contributors to sue them, one thing is for sure though, any fork of zed with those terms would automatically be illegal, since forks don't have full copyright over the original code, only the rights granted by the license, and as such are unambiguously liable for violating it

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                • marekfort@mastodon.onlineM marekfort@mastodon.online

                  Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now? 🤔

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                  #68

                  @marekfort ... ...

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                  • sofia@bottom.businessS sofia@bottom.business

                    @marekfort@mastodon.online
                    if that agreement is for the editor itself, that is unambiguously against the GPL's "further restrictions" clause

                    You may not impose any further restrictions on the exercise of the rights granted or affirmed under this License
                    as such rights include
                    This License explicitly affirms your unlimited permission to run the unmodified Program
                    though if it refers so a serverside component i'm not sure how that might work out

                    it's also worth noting that zed requires a CLA, so that technically doesn't allow contributors to sue them, one thing is for sure though, any fork of zed with those terms would automatically be illegal, since forks don't have full copyright over the original code, only the rights granted by the license, and as such are unambiguously liable for violating it

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                    @marekfort@mastodon.online just checked the full terms, and the wording in the screenshot is misleading, the full terms actually say

                    Subject to these Terms, Zed will permit Customer to access and use Zed’s AI-enabled software-as-a-service offering (the “Service”), which enables certain additional features and functionality (including artificial intelligence and collaboration features) in Zed’s open source code editing software (“Software”).
                    Customer must be at least 18 years old to use the Service.
                    which is obviously still an immoral restriction, but with no legal implications afaik (unless the server software has a similar license, but that's pretty rare)

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                    • marekfort@mastodon.onlineM marekfort@mastodon.online

                      Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now? 🤔

                      panda@pandas.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #70

                      @marekfort you must be 18 for subscriptions to ai slop generators

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                      • marekfort@mastodon.onlineM marekfort@mastodon.online

                        Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now? 🤔

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                        nilclass@infosec.exchange
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                        #71

                        @marekfort If the world continues down this path, soon it will be harder to *enter* VIM than to *quit* it

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