Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now?
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@jonossaseuraava @marekfort Mommy, where do use after free bugs come from?
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Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now?
@marekfort I recently looked at Zed and immediately dumped it because they prioritized using AI over editing in their documentation:
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Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now?
@marekfort Saw this in my mailbox too this morning. One has to wonder, what is in the files!?!?!?
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Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now?
@marekfort uhhhh very fucked up tbh. I wanna support them because I love the editor (esp compared to vs code) but I hate that corporate garbage
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@marekfort I generally like Zed but with all the AI stuff (which I disabled) and this now, I am not sure anymore.
@cameo007 @marekfort
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Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now?
Probably so they can say this without lying through their teeth. They collect all kinds of info, only some of which is actually made public because their page which says the telemetry data they take is down.
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Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now?
@marekfort Oh wow. I like #Zed and use it every day, however now perhaps I should send a support ticket telling them I'm under 18 and asking them what they're going to do about it. Just for laughs since I haven't been under 18 for approximately 40 years...
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Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now?
@marekfort Maybe their jurisdiction considers using LLMs to be gambling, since the usage is so similar. That would explain why people under a certain age can't use it.
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Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now?
@marekfort Well, you could use an editor to write porn games. I wrote porn games as a teenager...
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Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now?
@marekfort why does an open-source non-networked ide have a tos anyways?
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@jimmylittle @marekfort @Gargron ...why do you need a Terms of Service agreement for *A TEXT EDITOR*
@techokami @marekfort @Gargron I repeat…
Lawyers ruin everything. 🫠
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@marekfort when you see minimum ages (18 or 16/13) it means that they want to market to you and will probably share your data with third parties.
@bartvdo @marekfort they say they don't sell your data...
Now, nobody said anything about giving it away for free!
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@techokami @marekfort @Gargron I repeat…
Lawyers ruin everything. 🫠
@jimmylittle @marekfort @Gargron take a step back and reassess the question.
*Why* does *A TEXT EDITOR* require a ToS? What is the text editor *DOING* that makes this something that is even needed in the first place?I looked into it, and apparently it's because this editor is filled to the brim with AI generative bullshit.
Why does such a thing need to exist?
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@tsturm I think I‘m gonna give Gram a try … https://gram.liten.app
@gereon @tsturm saw the Gram fork the other day in a different place. I'm not a Zed user, but the Gram author certainly seem to have the right idea on their blog:
https://gram.liten.app/posts/go-slow-and-fix-things/
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@jimmylittle @marekfort @Gargron take a step back and reassess the question.
*Why* does *A TEXT EDITOR* require a ToS? What is the text editor *DOING* that makes this something that is even needed in the first place?I looked into it, and apparently it's because this editor is filled to the brim with AI generative bullshit.
Why does such a thing need to exist?
@techokami @jimmylittle @marekfort And telemetry. Why does a text editor need telemetry? *Excellent question!*
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Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now?
@marekfort sigh, I swear, every time I use something that isn't idealistically OSS, it burns me in some way or the other.
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Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now?
@marekfort
Me RN.$ flatpak remove Zed
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Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now?
@marekfort@mastodon.online
if that agreement is for the editor itself, that is unambiguously against the GPL's "further restrictions" clauseYou may not impose any further restrictions on the exercise of the rights granted or affirmed under this License
as such rights includeThis License explicitly affirms your unlimited permission to run the unmodified Program
though if it refers so a serverside component i'm not sure how that might work out
it's also worth noting that zed requires a CLA, so that technically doesn't allow contributors to sue them, one thing is for sure though, any fork of zed with those terms would automatically be illegal, since forks don't have full copyright over the original code, only the rights granted by the license, and as such are unambiguously liable for violating it -
Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now?
@marekfort ... ...
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@marekfort@mastodon.online
if that agreement is for the editor itself, that is unambiguously against the GPL's "further restrictions" clauseYou may not impose any further restrictions on the exercise of the rights granted or affirmed under this License
as such rights includeThis License explicitly affirms your unlimited permission to run the unmodified Program
though if it refers so a serverside component i'm not sure how that might work out
it's also worth noting that zed requires a CLA, so that technically doesn't allow contributors to sue them, one thing is for sure though, any fork of zed with those terms would automatically be illegal, since forks don't have full copyright over the original code, only the rights granted by the license, and as such are unambiguously liable for violating it@marekfort@mastodon.online just checked the full terms, and the wording in the screenshot is misleading, the full terms actually say
Subject to these Terms, Zed will permit Customer to access and use Zed’s AI-enabled software-as-a-service offering (the “Service”), which enables certain additional features and functionality (including artificial intelligence and collaboration features) in Zed’s open source code editing software (“Software”).
Customer must be at least 18 years old to use the Service.
which is obviously still an immoral restriction, but with no legal implications afaik (unless the server software has a similar license, but that's pretty rare)
