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Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now?

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  • marekfort@mastodon.onlineM marekfort@mastodon.online

    Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now? 🤔

    yacodes@mastodon.socialY This user is from outside of this forum
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    @marekfort I hope that the kids will obey and refuse to use corporate products, contributing to free software instead.

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    • jonossaseuraava@post.ebin.clubJ jonossaseuraava@post.ebin.club
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      #50

      @jonossaseuraava @marekfort Mommy, where do use after free bugs come from?

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      • marekfort@mastodon.onlineM marekfort@mastodon.online

        Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now? 🤔

        unattributed@gotosocial.socialU This user is from outside of this forum
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        @marekfort I recently looked at Zed and immediately dumped it because they prioritized using AI over editing in their documentation:

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        • marekfort@mastodon.onlineM marekfort@mastodon.online

          Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now? 🤔

          casastorta@mastodon.onlineC This user is from outside of this forum
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          @marekfort Saw this in my mailbox too this morning. One has to wonder, what is in the files!?!?!? 🙂

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          • marekfort@mastodon.onlineM marekfort@mastodon.online

            Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now? 🤔

            draygon@furry.engineerD This user is from outside of this forum
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            #53

            @marekfort uhhhh very fucked up tbh. I wanna support them because I love the editor (esp compared to vs code) but I hate that corporate garbage

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            • cameo007@rheinneckar.socialC cameo007@rheinneckar.social

              @marekfort I generally like Zed but with all the AI stuff (which I disabled) and this now, I am not sure anymore.

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              @cameo007 @marekfort
              Same. Its becoming a bit of a Frankenstein.

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              • marekfort@mastodon.onlineM marekfort@mastodon.online

                Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now? 🤔

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                Probably so they can say this without lying through their teeth. They collect all kinds of info, only some of which is actually made public because their page which says the telemetry data they take is down.

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                • marekfort@mastodon.onlineM marekfort@mastodon.online

                  Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now? 🤔

                  drewtowler@mas.toD This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @marekfort Oh wow. I like #Zed and use it every day, however now perhaps I should send a support ticket telling them I'm under 18 and asking them what they're going to do about it. Just for laughs since I haven't been under 18 for approximately 40 years...

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                  • marekfort@mastodon.onlineM marekfort@mastodon.online

                    Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now? 🤔

                    jackemled@furry.engineerJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @marekfort Maybe their jurisdiction considers using LLMs to be gambling, since the usage is so similar. That would explain why people under a certain age can't use it.

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                    • marekfort@mastodon.onlineM marekfort@mastodon.online

                      Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now? 🤔

                      lordcaramac@discordian.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @marekfort Well, you could use an editor to write porn games. I wrote porn games as a teenager...

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                      • marekfort@mastodon.onlineM marekfort@mastodon.online

                        Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now? 🤔

                        hearts@pharmacy.puppygirl.icuH This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #59

                        @marekfort why does an open-source non-networked ide have a tos anyways?

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                        • techokami@woof.techT techokami@woof.tech

                          @jimmylittle @marekfort @Gargron ...why do you need a Terms of Service agreement for *A TEXT EDITOR*

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                          @techokami @marekfort @Gargron I repeat…

                          Lawyers ruin everything. 🫠

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                          • bartvdo@mastodon.socialB bartvdo@mastodon.social

                            @marekfort when you see minimum ages (18 or 16/13) it means that they want to market to you and will probably share your data with third parties.

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                            #61

                            @bartvdo @marekfort they say they don't sell your data...

                            Now, nobody said anything about giving it away for free!

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                            • jimmylittle@hachyderm.ioJ jimmylittle@hachyderm.io

                              @techokami @marekfort @Gargron I repeat…

                              Lawyers ruin everything. 🫠

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                              @jimmylittle @marekfort @Gargron take a step back and reassess the question.
                              *Why* does *A TEXT EDITOR* require a ToS? What is the text editor *DOING* that makes this something that is even needed in the first place?

                              I looked into it, and apparently it's because this editor is filled to the brim with AI generative bullshit.

                              Why does such a thing need to exist?

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                              • gereon@chaos.socialG gereon@chaos.social

                                @tsturm I think I‘m gonna give Gram a try … https://gram.liten.app

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                                @gereon @tsturm saw the Gram fork the other day in a different place. I'm not a Zed user, but the Gram author certainly seem to have the right idea on their blog:

                                https://gram.liten.app/posts/go-slow-and-fix-things/
                                https://gram.liten.app/posts/why/

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                                • techokami@woof.techT techokami@woof.tech

                                  @jimmylittle @marekfort @Gargron take a step back and reassess the question.
                                  *Why* does *A TEXT EDITOR* require a ToS? What is the text editor *DOING* that makes this something that is even needed in the first place?

                                  I looked into it, and apparently it's because this editor is filled to the brim with AI generative bullshit.

                                  Why does such a thing need to exist?

                                  jeremiahfieldhaven@mastodon.gamedev.placeJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @techokami @jimmylittle @marekfort And telemetry. Why does a text editor need telemetry? *Excellent question!*

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                                  • marekfort@mastodon.onlineM marekfort@mastodon.online

                                    Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now? 🤔

                                    ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @marekfort sigh, I swear, every time I use something that isn't idealistically OSS, it burns me in some way or the other.

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                                    • marekfort@mastodon.onlineM marekfort@mastodon.online

                                      Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now? 🤔

                                      residuum@digitalcourage.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #66

                                      @marekfort
                                      Me RN.

                                      $ flatpak remove Zed

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                                      • marekfort@mastodon.onlineM marekfort@mastodon.online

                                        Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now? 🤔

                                        sofia@bottom.businessS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @marekfort@mastodon.online
                                        if that agreement is for the editor itself, that is unambiguously against the GPL's "further restrictions" clause

                                        You may not impose any further restrictions on the exercise of the rights granted or affirmed under this License
                                        as such rights include
                                        This License explicitly affirms your unlimited permission to run the unmodified Program
                                        though if it refers so a serverside component i'm not sure how that might work out

                                        it's also worth noting that zed requires a CLA, so that technically doesn't allow contributors to sue them, one thing is for sure though, any fork of zed with those terms would automatically be illegal, since forks don't have full copyright over the original code, only the rights granted by the license, and as such are unambiguously liable for violating it

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                                        • marekfort@mastodon.onlineM marekfort@mastodon.online

                                          Wait what, you can't use a *code* editor when you're under 18 now? 🤔

                                          kazukyakayashi@social.zarchbox.frK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          @marekfort ... ...

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