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  3. I woke up still pondering @girlonthenet's lamentation (I think; https://mastodon.social/@girlonthenet/116353766078817354), that while lots of people enjoy her sex blog, few people boost her toots about it.

I woke up still pondering @girlonthenet's lamentation (I think; https://mastodon.social/@girlonthenet/116353766078817354), that while lots of people enjoy her sex blog, few people boost her toots about it.

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  • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

    I suspect that it comes down to a mix of:

    * stigma about sex as pleasure / being embarrassed about what others here might think

    * concerns relating to professional expectations and obligations

    * sex as being in the sphere of one's private life

    I can understand each of these, and why they might lead to a "like" rather than a "boost".

    None of them inhibit paying or tipping someone, as a thank you for their work though, which is another way of being supportive.

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    @neil

    > concerns relating to professional expectations and obligations

    That is absolutely something I have in mind when boosting anything, especially as the FCA look at social media (though I don't know if they monitor Mastodon specifically). I don't boost anything involving over 18 content, which includes swearing, sex work etc.

    It is annoying because the content is legal, but I do not have a sufficiently large platform to take a stand on this.

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    • alexisbushnell@toot.walesA alexisbushnell@toot.wales

      @neil speaking only for myself, someone who used to write a sex blog, is a community organiser in the kink community, and not awkward about sex, the reason I don't boost is actually more not sure of where the line is for certain servers and not wanting to be blocked by whole servers or booted off one for boosting something they see as not ok.

      So I guess my issue is Autistic lack of understanding of why other people are weird about sex stuff.

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      @alexisbushnell

      > not wanting to be blocked by whole servers or booted off one for boosting something they see as not ok.

      Yes, I can see the challenge there.

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      • pwaring@social.xk7.netP pwaring@social.xk7.net

        @neil

        > concerns relating to professional expectations and obligations

        That is absolutely something I have in mind when boosting anything, especially as the FCA look at social media (though I don't know if they monitor Mastodon specifically). I don't boost anything involving over 18 content, which includes swearing, sex work etc.

        It is annoying because the content is legal, but I do not have a sufficiently large platform to take a stand on this.

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        @pwaring

        I too am mindful about profanity in toots that I boost, which can sometimes be a challenge here!

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        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

          @alexisbushnell

          > not wanting to be blocked by whole servers or booted off one for boosting something they see as not ok.

          Yes, I can see the challenge there.

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          @neil personally I would like to see the Fediverse figure out how to support sex workers and adult content so it's not an issue, but that is something I am not qualified to help figure out!

          Maybe someone will discuss it at @fediforum .

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          • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

            @alexisbushnell

            > not wanting to be blocked by whole servers or booted off one for boosting something they see as not ok.

            Yes, I can see the challenge there.

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            @neil @alexisbushnell

            idk if being blocked by a server is such a big deal tbh. I would personally prefer to freely engage with the people I'm interested in, rather than hold off for fear that some unknown corner of the internet admined by puritans might not get to see my posts.

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            • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

              Hmm... I wonder (I told you that I was pondering!) if there is an added factor here, of the fedi demographic: of older people, perhaps especially men (don't laugh), being self-aware of engaging with younger adults posting sex-related stuff, and coming across as creepy. Perhaps?

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              @neil This is my reason for not engaging, including compliments. (Likes as a "formalized" interaction should be safe.)

              re boosting – I'm trying to keep my followers' TLs "SFW or CW". That is, I try not to boost anything sexual that doesn't come with a CW (and an image description of course).

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              • ysegrim@furry.engineerY ysegrim@furry.engineer

                @neil This is my reason for not engaging, including compliments. (Likes as a "formalized" interaction should be safe.)

                re boosting – I'm trying to keep my followers' TLs "SFW or CW". That is, I try not to boost anything sexual that doesn't come with a CW (and an image description of course).

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                @ysegrim

                > I try not to boost anything sexual that doesn't come with a CW

                Most of the people who I follow who post sexual stuff are fastidious about CWs, as consent is important to them!

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                • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                  If you have got this far, perhaps you would welcome some suggestions for fedizens who I follow, who post sex-related stuff.

                  @girlonthenet: the queen of text and audio smut, with multiple books under her belt too.

                  @mindpersephone: short form text, often sci-fi and genderqueer.

                  @JenJen: beautiful hand drawn smut, interspersed with rants about Linux.

                  @alice: more lockpicking than smut, but smut is there, and especially #AltAfterDark.

                  Newer to me:

                  @Jaimieserotica: a relatively new blogger, with a mix of fiction and non-fiction (I think!)

                  @GoingDownWithSundial: another relatively new smut blogger, also touching on neurodiversity

                  (And, look, I apologise in advance for the people who I will inevitably omit by accident; it is not personal, I am simply fallible. I have not included people who post nudes because that doesn't necessarily mean "sexual".

                  By all means add your own suggestions / your own blog / self-promotion.)

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                  @neil
                  @girlonthenet @mindpersephone @JenJen @alice @Jaimieserotica

                  @innocentlb long-time blogger, gentle, introspective smut

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                  • joykill@mastodon.socialJ joykill@mastodon.social

                    @neil @alexisbushnell

                    idk if being blocked by a server is such a big deal tbh. I would personally prefer to freely engage with the people I'm interested in, rather than hold off for fear that some unknown corner of the internet admined by puritans might not get to see my posts.

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                    @joykill @neil if it was only puritans then sure but sex and "adult content" seems to be something a lot of servers avoid, possibly now moreso due to the new UK rules.
                    It's not inherently a "we think sex is wrong" attitude but often a "we are scared we will be prosecuted" fear.

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                    • alexisbushnell@toot.walesA alexisbushnell@toot.wales

                      @joykill @neil if it was only puritans then sure but sex and "adult content" seems to be something a lot of servers avoid, possibly now moreso due to the new UK rules.
                      It's not inherently a "we think sex is wrong" attitude but often a "we are scared we will be prosecuted" fear.

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                      @alexisbushnell
                      Hosting social media while British, a prosecutable offense...

                      That's truly sad and I can see why someone who hosts a server would think about those considerations, but as a user I don't think posting adult content is prosecutable in the UK yet, is it? Provided the adult content is consensual, not stolen, etc.

                      Maybe having an alt account in a non-British server for the adult stuff could be an option, while keeping the local community posts in the British servers?

                      @neil

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                      • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                        If you have got this far, perhaps you would welcome some suggestions for fedizens who I follow, who post sex-related stuff.

                        @girlonthenet: the queen of text and audio smut, with multiple books under her belt too.

                        @mindpersephone: short form text, often sci-fi and genderqueer.

                        @JenJen: beautiful hand drawn smut, interspersed with rants about Linux.

                        @alice: more lockpicking than smut, but smut is there, and especially #AltAfterDark.

                        Newer to me:

                        @Jaimieserotica: a relatively new blogger, with a mix of fiction and non-fiction (I think!)

                        @GoingDownWithSundial: another relatively new smut blogger, also touching on neurodiversity

                        (And, look, I apologise in advance for the people who I will inevitably omit by accident; it is not personal, I am simply fallible. I have not included people who post nudes because that doesn't necessarily mean "sexual".

                        By all means add your own suggestions / your own blog / self-promotion.)

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                        @neil @girlonthenet @mindpersephone @JenJen @alice @Jaimieserotica @GoingDownWithSundial I'd say if all these creators use the right hashtags in their toots, they will reach a wider audience even without many retoots. That is the beauty of the fediverse.

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                        • nehalenia@dresden.networkN nehalenia@dresden.network

                          @neil @girlonthenet @mindpersephone @JenJen @alice @Jaimieserotica @GoingDownWithSundial I'd say if all these creators use the right hashtags in their toots, they will reach a wider audience even without many retoots. That is the beauty of the fediverse.

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                          @Nehalenia @girlonthenet @mindpersephone @JenJen @alice @Jaimieserotica @GoingDownWithSundial

                          Hashtags can help, a bit (not much, in my experience, but more than zero), but I think that the concern here is about *human participation* and boosting, rather than simply about "reach" / readability.

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                          • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                            @Nehalenia @girlonthenet @mindpersephone @JenJen @alice @Jaimieserotica @GoingDownWithSundial

                            Hashtags can help, a bit (not much, in my experience, but more than zero), but I think that the concern here is about *human participation* and boosting, rather than simply about "reach" / readability.

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                            @neil @Nehalenia @girlonthenet @mindpersephone @JenJen @alice @GoingDownWithSundial
                            Very much this.

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                            • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                              I suspect that it comes down to a mix of:

                              * stigma about sex as pleasure / being embarrassed about what others here might think

                              * concerns relating to professional expectations and obligations

                              * sex as being in the sphere of one's private life

                              I can understand each of these, and why they might lead to a "like" rather than a "boost".

                              None of them inhibit paying or tipping someone, as a thank you for their work though, which is another way of being supportive.

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                              @neil There's also just a general culture where people feel oddly 'nervous' about interacting with content producers and don't seem to understand, no matter how many times you explicitly say it, that we really want positive feedback. That posting into a void that never responds is really depressing, even if you know some people are reading.

                              Yet they don't feel self-conscious at all about making criticismsπŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

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                              • rubyjones@wandering.shopR rubyjones@wandering.shop

                                @neil There's also just a general culture where people feel oddly 'nervous' about interacting with content producers and don't seem to understand, no matter how many times you explicitly say it, that we really want positive feedback. That posting into a void that never responds is really depressing, even if you know some people are reading.

                                Yet they don't feel self-conscious at all about making criticismsπŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

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                                @rubyjones Oh, goodness, yes, excellent point.

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                                • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                  @Nehalenia @girlonthenet @mindpersephone @JenJen @alice @Jaimieserotica @GoingDownWithSundial

                                  Hashtags can help, a bit (not much, in my experience, but more than zero), but I think that the concern here is about *human participation* and boosting, rather than simply about "reach" / readability.

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                                  @neil @Nehalenia @girlonthenet @mindpersephone @JenJen @alice @Jaimieserotica @GoingDownWithSundial Yeah, this very much misses the point. It's about people not expressing appreciation rather than the person producing the content failing to do the obvious things that would increase reach.

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                                  • goingdownwithsundial@mastodon.socialG goingdownwithsundial@mastodon.social

                                    @neil
                                    @girlonthenet @mindpersephone @JenJen @alice @Jaimieserotica

                                    @innocentlb long-time blogger, gentle, introspective smut

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                                    @GoingDownWithSundial @neil @girlonthenet @mindpersephone @JenJen @alice @Jaimieserotica

                                    @robyneatseverything - formerly prolific sex blogger, still a wealth of content out there

                                    @carolynaluna - mesophile, moongirl, soft and sensuous

                                    @carasutra - still putting stuff out there

                                    @Septimus - former Herald of Dongs, also got me into Bluesky early

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                                    • mindpersephone@spookygirl.booM mindpersephone@spookygirl.boo

                                      @neil @girlonthenet @JenJen @alice @Jaimieserotica @GoingDownWithSundial thank you Neil! 😘

                                      And welcome to the new folk following. Don't worry, I won't be offended if you see a few of my posts and decide I'm not for you and unfollow. I'm not everyones cup of tea.

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                                      @mindpersephone but you are an excellent, spicy cup of tea πŸ˜ƒ x

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                                      • innocentlb@mastodon.socialI innocentlb@mastodon.social

                                        @GoingDownWithSundial @neil @girlonthenet @mindpersephone @JenJen @alice @Jaimieserotica

                                        @robyneatseverything - formerly prolific sex blogger, still a wealth of content out there

                                        @carolynaluna - mesophile, moongirl, soft and sensuous

                                        @carasutra - still putting stuff out there

                                        @Septimus - former Herald of Dongs, also got me into Bluesky early

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                                        @innocentlb @GoingDownWithSundial @girlonthenet @mindpersephone @JenJen @alice @Jaimieserotica @robyneatseverything @carolynaluna @carasutra @Septimus

                                        I knew that I'd forget people 😞

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                                        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                          @innocentlb @GoingDownWithSundial @girlonthenet @mindpersephone @JenJen @alice @Jaimieserotica @robyneatseverything @carolynaluna @carasutra @Septimus

                                          I knew that I'd forget people 😞

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                                          @neil always the way with recommendations - thank you for doing them anyway!

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