Heads-up for anyone who doesn't want their posts scraped and handed over to an LLM.
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RE: https://hachyderm.io/@dalias/116290410049114192
@MHowell @dexternemrod There is no technical measure to prevent folks who can read what you write from being able to copy it. This is fundamental to how DRM is so ridiculous.
This is not about technical measures but delivering consequences for antisocial behaviors.
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@dalias this person really does not understand what consent is, does he?
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tedious bastards who want to use social media to socialize with each other instead of minmaxing the Engagement
CC: @dalias@hachyderm.io
exactly this. Everything about being human, filed under "tedium," and the only thing we can consider "not tedium" is Number Go Up. -
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@dalias@hachyderm.io that sounds like "blocking" here means not appearing on someone else's feed
The Mastodon API is publicly available and blocking the author of the app or the instance won't do anything -
@dalias@hachyderm.io that sounds like "blocking" here means not appearing on someone else's feed
The Mastodon API is publicly available and blocking the author of the app or the instance won't do anythingRE: https://hachyderm.io/@dalias/116289558240910154
@natty In the case of this app, it scrapes from its user's feed, so if you block its user, you will not be in the feed it scrapes.
These techbros want us to believe their "it's silly to have norms if the machine can't enforce them" bullshit. Here, whatever blocking we can do is a statement of our disapproval of their attempts to bypass our consent and reduce the damage, not a surrender of our standing to demand they stop doing things that technical measures fundamentally can't stop.
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RE: https://hachyderm.io/@dalias/116289558240910154
@natty In the case of this app, it scrapes from its user's feed, so if you block its user, you will not be in the feed it scrapes.
These techbros want us to believe their "it's silly to have norms if the machine can't enforce them" bullshit. Here, whatever blocking we can do is a statement of our disapproval of their attempts to bypass our consent and reduce the damage, not a surrender of our standing to demand they stop doing things that technical measures fundamentally can't stop.
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RE: https://hachyderm.io/@dalias/116289558240910154
@natty In the case of this app, it scrapes from its user's feed, so if you block its user, you will not be in the feed it scrapes.
These techbros want us to believe their "it's silly to have norms if the machine can't enforce them" bullshit. Here, whatever blocking we can do is a statement of our disapproval of their attempts to bypass our consent and reduce the damage, not a surrender of our standing to demand they stop doing things that technical measures fundamentally can't stop.
@dalias@hachyderm.io I said what now?
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@SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt @dalias@hachyderm.io we have a flag for this https://docs.joinmastodon.org/spec/activitypub/#indexable but consent is not real I guess
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@SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt @dalias@hachyderm.io we have a flag for this https://docs.joinmastodon.org/spec/activitypub/#indexable but consent is not real I guess
@natty @SRAZKVT No, we do not have a flag for this. "Indexable" means I want people to be able to find my toots in search results. Not that I want to allow corporations to ingest them into their slop regurgitation machines and mimic my writing style but saying things I didn't and would never say and present those things as "summaries" of what I said.
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@dalias@hachyderm.io I said what now?
@natty Sorry maybe I misread what you were saying about "blocking won't do anything". I'll edit not to sound accusatory.
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@SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt @dalias@hachyderm.io we have a flag for this https://docs.joinmastodon.org/spec/activitypub/#indexable but consent is not real I guess
@SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt @natty@astolfo.social @dalias@hachyderm.io
fedi has contracted from early openedness. last few masto versions have new privacy controls. them follows with blank profiles and zero followers? yeah those are the dumb ones.
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@lawyersgunsnmoney AFAICT he made a bot you hand your social media credentials over to and it logs in to all your accounts, scrapes everything, and passes it to an LLM service to "summarize" (and keep for training). Utter clownery. Normally I would just block, but I'm screenshotting and sharing this because it's a privacy threat to everyone.
@dalias @lawyersgunsnmoney any reason not to block the entirety of alpaca dot gold? without me having to go to check -
@dalias @lawyersgunsnmoney any reason not to block the entirety of alpaca dot gold? without me having to go to check
@wyatt @lawyersgunsnmoney Not really. It's an instance with a single-digit number of users who are in his circle of friends. Your call if you think they deserve to be cut off from lots of fedi by association.
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@wyatt @lawyersgunsnmoney Not really. It's an instance with a single-digit number of users who are in his circle of friends. Your call if you think they deserve to be cut off from lots of fedi by association.
@dalias @lawyersgunsnmoney there are three users on my instance, two of which are active, and one of that subset is me and the other is much more block-happy than I am -
RE: https://hachyderm.io/@dalias/116290410049114192
@MHowell @dexternemrod There is no technical measure to prevent folks who can read what you write from being able to copy it. This is fundamental to how DRM is so ridiculous.
This is not about technical measures but delivering consequences for antisocial behaviors.
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@wyatt @lawyersgunsnmoney Not really. It's an instance with a single-digit number of users who are in his circle of friends. Your call if you think they deserve to be cut off from lots of fedi by association.
@dalias @lawyersgunsnmoney hmm, npm founder
not somebody i would want to be a friend of a friend of, probably -
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what a shithead
ah yes of course, wanting privacy and consent to be respected is "being a tedious bastard"
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@dalias thanks, but how do we also block anyone who uses their client? I mean, how do we figure out if one does?
You can't.
Every instance admin would have to intercept API requests and check the origin if it is the Zeitgeist instance and block them.
But you can also just grab the code and run your own instance.The vibe-coding author mentioned to add #noindex and #nobots support but based on his messages and reactions this won't happen.
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@Barmaid on est d'accord que la personne + son instance + ses alias et les alias de son mari sont/vont être bloqués ?
