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  • natty@astolfo.socialN natty@astolfo.social

    @SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt @dalias@hachyderm.io we have a flag for this https://docs.joinmastodon.org/spec/activitypub/#indexable but consent is not real I guess

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    @natty @SRAZKVT No, we do not have a flag for this. "Indexable" means I want people to be able to find my toots in search results. Not that I want to allow corporations to ingest them into their slop regurgitation machines and mimic my writing style but saying things I didn't and would never say and present those things as "summaries" of what I said.

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    • srazkvt@tech.lgbtS srazkvt@tech.lgbt

      @dalias @natty so you need to block every single user who uses this, and they definitely won't all report it

      nice

      at least the search engine projects are few and far between and have generally few accounts needed to block, but this is every user which is significantly worse

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      @SRAZKVT @natty Or we just need to get seldo to ragequit fedi again after folks are "so mean to him" fediblocking his instance and IP blocking his bot from being used with accounts on their servers. Then he'll leave us alone and go do that shit just on birdchan 2.0.

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      • natty@astolfo.socialN natty@astolfo.social

        @dalias@hachyderm.io I said what now?

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        @natty Sorry maybe I misread what you were saying about "blocking won't do anything". I'll edit not to sound accusatory.

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        • natty@astolfo.socialN natty@astolfo.social

          @SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt @dalias@hachyderm.io we have a flag for this https://docs.joinmastodon.org/spec/activitypub/#indexable but consent is not real I guess

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          @SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt @natty@astolfo.social @dalias@hachyderm.io

          fedi has contracted from early openedness. last few masto versions have new privacy controls. them follows with blank profiles and zero followers? yeah those are the dumb ones.

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          • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

            @lawyersgunsnmoney AFAICT he made a bot you hand your social media credentials over to and it logs in to all your accounts, scrapes everything, and passes it to an LLM service to "summarize" (and keep for training). Utter clownery. Normally I would just block, but I'm screenshotting and sharing this because it's a privacy threat to everyone.

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            @dalias @lawyersgunsnmoney any reason not to block the entirety of alpaca dot gold? without me having to go to check
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            • wyatt@soc.megatokyo.moeW wyatt@soc.megatokyo.moe
              @dalias @lawyersgunsnmoney any reason not to block the entirety of alpaca dot gold? without me having to go to check
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              @wyatt @lawyersgunsnmoney Not really. It's an instance with a single-digit number of users who are in his circle of friends. Your call if you think they deserve to be cut off from lots of fedi by association. 🤷

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              • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                @wyatt @lawyersgunsnmoney Not really. It's an instance with a single-digit number of users who are in his circle of friends. Your call if you think they deserve to be cut off from lots of fedi by association. 🤷

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                @dalias @lawyersgunsnmoney there are three users on my instance, two of which are active, and one of that subset is me and the other is much more block-happy than I am
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                • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                  RE: https://hachyderm.io/@dalias/116290410049114192

                  @MHowell @dexternemrod There is no technical measure to prevent folks who can read what you write from being able to copy it. This is fundamental to how DRM is so ridiculous.

                  This is not about technical measures but delivering consequences for antisocial behaviors.

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                  @dalias

                  @MHowell

                  +1

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                  • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                    @wyatt @lawyersgunsnmoney Not really. It's an instance with a single-digit number of users who are in his circle of friends. Your call if you think they deserve to be cut off from lots of fedi by association. 🤷

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                    #81
                    @dalias @lawyersgunsnmoney hmm, npm founder

                    not somebody i would want to be a friend of a friend of, probably
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                    • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

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                      #82

                      @dalias

                      what a shithead

                      ah yes of course, wanting privacy and consent to be respected is "being a tedious bastard"

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                      • paraw@mathstodon.xyzP paraw@mathstodon.xyz

                        @dalias thanks, but how do we also block anyone who uses their client? I mean, how do we figure out if one does?

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                        @paraw

                        You can't.

                        Every instance admin would have to intercept API requests and check the origin if it is the Zeitgeist instance and block them.
                        But you can also just grab the code and run your own instance.

                        The vibe-coding author mentioned to add #noindex and #nobots support but based on his messages and reactions this won't happen.

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                        • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

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                          @Barmaid on est d'accord que la personne + son instance + ses alias et les alias de son mari sont/vont être bloqués ? 😬

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                          • lumi@snug.moeL lumi@snug.moe

                            @dalias this person really does not understand what consent is, does he?

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                            @lumi @dalias understands enough to try to circumvent it.

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                            • wyatt@soc.megatokyo.moeW wyatt@soc.megatokyo.moe
                              @dalias @lawyersgunsnmoney hmm, npm founder

                              not somebody i would want to be a friend of a friend of, probably
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                              @wyatt @dalias I haven’t blocked his instance, but nothing prevents him from setting up another account. I may go ahead and block the whole thing.

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                              • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                                Heads-up for anyone who doesn't want their posts scraped and handed over to an LLM.

                                Laurie Voss (@seldo@alpaca.gold)

                                @janl@narrativ.es You would need to block me from following you, I suppose.

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                                @dalias I like the early revelation that he didn't know (or chose to ignore) the first thing about slurping up data. "huh, never heard of robots.txt"

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                                • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                                  @SRAZKVT @natty Or we just need to get seldo to ragequit fedi again after folks are "so mean to him" fediblocking his instance and IP blocking his bot from being used with accounts on their servers. Then he'll leave us alone and go do that shit just on birdchan 2.0.

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                                  @dalias @SRAZKVT @natty This should not be difficult to do.

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                                  • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                                    Heads-up for anyone who doesn't want their posts scraped and handed over to an LLM.

                                    Laurie Voss (@seldo@alpaca.gold)

                                    @janl@narrativ.es You would need to block me from following you, I suppose.

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                                    @dalias The thread here is SO complex one needs to know a lot to react. Can someone just tell me what this is about.. I am so confused.

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                                    • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                                      Heads-up for anyone who doesn't want their posts scraped and handed over to an LLM.

                                      Laurie Voss (@seldo@alpaca.gold)

                                      @janl@narrativ.es You would need to block me from following you, I suppose.

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                                      (Quote replaced with link since I was blocked.)

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                                      @dalias Blocked and boosted for those who allow me on their timeline, for some reason.

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                                      • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

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                                        @dalias never have I wanted to see how many times an account was blocked as badly as I do now

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                                        • davidr@hachyderm.ioD davidr@hachyderm.io

                                          @dalias I like the early revelation that he didn't know (or chose to ignore) the first thing about slurping up data. "huh, never heard of robots.txt"

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                                          @davidr robots.txt would make no difference. He's not scraping your posts from your instance. He's scraping the ones that federated to his/his-user's instance via the feed there.

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