Heads-up for anyone who doesn't want their posts scraped and handed over to an LLM.
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what a shithead
ah yes of course, wanting privacy and consent to be respected is "being a tedious bastard"
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@dalias thanks, but how do we also block anyone who uses their client? I mean, how do we figure out if one does?
You can't.
Every instance admin would have to intercept API requests and check the origin if it is the Zeitgeist instance and block them.
But you can also just grab the code and run your own instance.The vibe-coding author mentioned to add #noindex and #nobots support but based on his messages and reactions this won't happen.
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@Barmaid on est d'accord que la personne + son instance + ses alias et les alias de son mari sont/vont être bloqués ?
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@dalias this person really does not understand what consent is, does he?
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@dalias @lawyersgunsnmoney hmm, npm founder
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Heads-up for anyone who doesn't want their posts scraped and handed over to an LLM.
Laurie Voss (@seldo@alpaca.gold)
@janl@narrativ.es You would need to block me from following you, I suppose.
Alpaca.Gold (alpaca.gold)
(Quote replaced with link since I was blocked.)
@dalias I like the early revelation that he didn't know (or chose to ignore) the first thing about slurping up data. "huh, never heard of robots.txt"
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Heads-up for anyone who doesn't want their posts scraped and handed over to an LLM.
Laurie Voss (@seldo@alpaca.gold)
@janl@narrativ.es You would need to block me from following you, I suppose.
Alpaca.Gold (alpaca.gold)
(Quote replaced with link since I was blocked.)
@dalias The thread here is SO complex one needs to know a lot to react. Can someone just tell me what this is about.. I am so confused.
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Heads-up for anyone who doesn't want their posts scraped and handed over to an LLM.
Laurie Voss (@seldo@alpaca.gold)
@janl@narrativ.es You would need to block me from following you, I suppose.
Alpaca.Gold (alpaca.gold)
(Quote replaced with link since I was blocked.)
@dalias Blocked and boosted for those who allow me on their timeline, for some reason.
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@dalias never have I wanted to see how many times an account was blocked as badly as I do now
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@dalias I like the early revelation that he didn't know (or chose to ignore) the first thing about slurping up data. "huh, never heard of robots.txt"
@davidr robots.txt would make no difference. He's not scraping your posts from your instance. He's scraping the ones that federated to his/his-user's instance via the feed there.
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@dalias Fucking yikes.
And that implies _anyone_ can scrape your posts and hand them right to an LLM and you'd never know
This is just so gross.
(I mean obviously they COULD either way but this means well-meaning non-assholes could if they don't. like. think about what they're doing.)
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@dalias The thread here is SO complex one needs to know a lot to react. Can someone just tell me what this is about.. I am so confused.
@adingbatponder This person (seldo) made a web-based social media client that logs into your Mastodon/Bsky/etc. accounts, grabs everything in your feed, and sends it off to an "AI" service for them to turn into a "summary" so you can "catch up on what people are posting" without actually reading it.
When challenged about lack of consent to have our writing turned over to "AI" companies for them to process and keep and incorporate into their models, his response was very hostile and suggested blocking him so he can't see our posts. That only solves the problem for his use of his client, not the problem of other people potentially using it.
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@dalias Fucking yikes.
And that implies _anyone_ can scrape your posts and hand them right to an LLM and you'd never know
This is just so gross.
(I mean obviously they COULD either way but this means well-meaning non-assholes could if they don't. like. think about what they're doing.)
@dalias I just instance blocked their server (the perks of selfhosting!) but that doesn't help if anyone _else_ uses this shit.
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@dalias Fucking yikes.
And that implies _anyone_ can scrape your posts and hand them right to an LLM and you'd never know
This is just so gross.
(I mean obviously they COULD either way but this means well-meaning non-assholes could if they don't. like. think about what they're doing.)
@IceWolf Of course anyone who can read them *can* do that. That's always possible. Just like, despite the movie industry pretending all the hellish DRM they impose makes it impossible, anyone can record movies off Netflix just by pointing a camera at their screen. It's impossible to keep someone from copying and sharing copies of something they can see.
This doesn't mean it's socially acceptable or legal. What the AI companies are doing and what the people like seldo feeding our data to them are doing is absolutely illegal, unethical, and a deep violation of privacy and consent. And they need to experience consequences for it.
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Heads-up for anyone who doesn't want their posts scraped and handed over to an LLM.
Laurie Voss (@seldo@alpaca.gold)
@janl@narrativ.es You would need to block me from following you, I suppose.
Alpaca.Gold (alpaca.gold)
(Quote replaced with link since I was blocked.)
@dalias He said in a comment in that thread that people would have to block every user of the tool he created, not just him personally. Blocking him may be justified, but it’s not sufficient to prevent toots from being scraped (?) by that tool.
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@dalias oh hey it's that union buster
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@dalias He said in a comment in that thread that people would have to block every user of the tool he created, not just him personally. Blocking him may be justified, but it’s not sufficient to prevent toots from being scraped (?) by that tool.
@JensJot Yep. But the tool itself might get scrapped if he finds himself unable to use it or just gets driven off fedi by being blocked by everyone.
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@dalias I guess by work he means "make me money from others creativity"
@hashbangperl @dalias Peep his personal site. He's your garden variety SF techbro. Not surprised Fedi wasn't to his liking since he can't easily profit off of it.
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