Heads-up for anyone who doesn't want their posts scraped and handed over to an LLM.
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@SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt @dalias@hachyderm.io we have a flag for this https://docs.joinmastodon.org/spec/activitypub/#indexable but consent is not real I guess
@SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt @natty@astolfo.social @dalias@hachyderm.io
fedi has contracted from early openedness. last few masto versions have new privacy controls. them follows with blank profiles and zero followers? yeah those are the dumb ones.
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@lawyersgunsnmoney AFAICT he made a bot you hand your social media credentials over to and it logs in to all your accounts, scrapes everything, and passes it to an LLM service to "summarize" (and keep for training). Utter clownery. Normally I would just block, but I'm screenshotting and sharing this because it's a privacy threat to everyone.
@dalias @lawyersgunsnmoney any reason not to block the entirety of alpaca dot gold? without me having to go to check -
@dalias @lawyersgunsnmoney any reason not to block the entirety of alpaca dot gold? without me having to go to check
@wyatt @lawyersgunsnmoney Not really. It's an instance with a single-digit number of users who are in his circle of friends. Your call if you think they deserve to be cut off from lots of fedi by association.

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@wyatt @lawyersgunsnmoney Not really. It's an instance with a single-digit number of users who are in his circle of friends. Your call if you think they deserve to be cut off from lots of fedi by association.
@dalias @lawyersgunsnmoney there are three users on my instance, two of which are active, and one of that subset is me and the other is much more block-happy than I am -
RE: https://hachyderm.io/@dalias/116290410049114192
@MHowell @dexternemrod There is no technical measure to prevent folks who can read what you write from being able to copy it. This is fundamental to how DRM is so ridiculous.
This is not about technical measures but delivering consequences for antisocial behaviors.
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@wyatt @lawyersgunsnmoney Not really. It's an instance with a single-digit number of users who are in his circle of friends. Your call if you think they deserve to be cut off from lots of fedi by association.
@dalias @lawyersgunsnmoney hmm, npm founder
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what a shithead
ah yes of course, wanting privacy and consent to be respected is "being a tedious bastard"

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@dalias thanks, but how do we also block anyone who uses their client? I mean, how do we figure out if one does?
You can't.
Every instance admin would have to intercept API requests and check the origin if it is the Zeitgeist instance and block them.
But you can also just grab the code and run your own instance.The vibe-coding author mentioned to add #noindex and #nobots support but based on his messages and reactions this won't happen.
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@Barmaid on est d'accord que la personne + son instance + ses alias et les alias de son mari sont/vont être bloqués ?

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@dalias this person really does not understand what consent is, does he?
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@dalias @lawyersgunsnmoney hmm, npm founder
not somebody i would want to be a friend of a friend of, probably -
Heads-up for anyone who doesn't want their posts scraped and handed over to an LLM.
Laurie Voss (@seldo@alpaca.gold)
@janl@narrativ.es You would need to block me from following you, I suppose.
Alpaca.Gold (alpaca.gold)
(Quote replaced with link since I was blocked.)
@dalias I like the early revelation that he didn't know (or chose to ignore) the first thing about slurping up data. "huh, never heard of robots.txt"
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Heads-up for anyone who doesn't want their posts scraped and handed over to an LLM.
Laurie Voss (@seldo@alpaca.gold)
@janl@narrativ.es You would need to block me from following you, I suppose.
Alpaca.Gold (alpaca.gold)
(Quote replaced with link since I was blocked.)
@dalias The thread here is SO complex one needs to know a lot to react. Can someone just tell me what this is about.. I am so confused.
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Heads-up for anyone who doesn't want their posts scraped and handed over to an LLM.
Laurie Voss (@seldo@alpaca.gold)
@janl@narrativ.es You would need to block me from following you, I suppose.
Alpaca.Gold (alpaca.gold)
(Quote replaced with link since I was blocked.)
@dalias Blocked and boosted for those who allow me on their timeline, for some reason.
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@dalias never have I wanted to see how many times an account was blocked as badly as I do now
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@dalias I like the early revelation that he didn't know (or chose to ignore) the first thing about slurping up data. "huh, never heard of robots.txt"
@davidr robots.txt would make no difference. He's not scraping your posts from your instance. He's scraping the ones that federated to his/his-user's instance via the feed there.
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@dalias Fucking yikes.
And that implies _anyone_ can scrape your posts and hand them right to an LLM and you'd never know
This is just so gross.
(I mean obviously they COULD either way but this means well-meaning non-assholes could if they don't. like. think about what they're doing.)
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@dalias The thread here is SO complex one needs to know a lot to react. Can someone just tell me what this is about.. I am so confused.
@adingbatponder This person (seldo) made a web-based social media client that logs into your Mastodon/Bsky/etc. accounts, grabs everything in your feed, and sends it off to an "AI" service for them to turn into a "summary" so you can "catch up on what people are posting" without actually reading it.
When challenged about lack of consent to have our writing turned over to "AI" companies for them to process and keep and incorporate into their models, his response was very hostile and suggested blocking him so he can't see our posts. That only solves the problem for his use of his client, not the problem of other people potentially using it.
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@dalias Fucking yikes.
And that implies _anyone_ can scrape your posts and hand them right to an LLM and you'd never know
This is just so gross.
(I mean obviously they COULD either way but this means well-meaning non-assholes could if they don't. like. think about what they're doing.)
@dalias I just instance blocked their server (the perks of selfhosting!) but that doesn't help if anyone _else_ uses this shit.