Heads-up for anyone who doesn't want their posts scraped and handed over to an LLM.

[missinformation@chaos.social]

@dalias @dexternemrod i blocked the entire domain

[missinformation@chaos.social]

@dalias vielleicht auch was für @ordnung

[dexternemrod@troet.cafe]

@dalias
That's new to me. Thank you!

[dalias@hachyderm.io]

@dexternemrod A lot of folks don't understand how reporting works on fedi. When you report a post/account, you're reporting it to the moderation staff for *your own instance*, regardless of where the account you're reporting lives. Your mods can then block the account from appearing to anyone on your instance, limit it so it only shows up to ppl looking for it (kinda like a shadowban), or just keep track of the report for making future moderation decisions about the user or the instance they came from.

You can also choose to forward the report (anonymized to protect you from retaliation if the remote admins are aligned with the abuse, but even then they can sometimes guess) to the reported account's instance and/or the instances of anyone else included in the post's @'s. This might get them banned from their own instance if the instance owner doesn't approve of what they're doing, and it might help other instances block them if their instance doesn't act.

[dragonfrog@mastodon.sdf.org]

@dalias To be clear - what he says there is actually incorrect. The bot logs in as whoever is using it, so you'd have to somehow know who *every* current and future user of the bot is, and block *all* of them.

[elithebearded@fed.qaz.red]

@dalias

Since the host name is the name of the app, maybe an instance block of alpaca.gold is better rather than a user block

[dalias@hachyderm.io]

RE: https://hachyderm.io/@dalias/116290410049114192

@MHowell @dexternemrod There is no technical measure to prevent folks who can read what you write from being able to copy it. This is fundamental to how DRM is so ridiculous.

This is not about technical measures but delivering consequences for antisocial behaviors.

[dalias@hachyderm.io]

RE: https://hachyderm.io/@dalias/116289558240910154

@MHowell @dexternemrod See also:

[ck0@tech.lgbt]

@lumi @dalias He also doesn't understand what legislation is too. This is against GPDR.

[keengrasp@layer8.space]

@khm @YvanDaSilva @dalias

exactly this. Everything about being human, filed under "tedium," and the only thing we can consider "not tedium" is Number Go Up.

[natty@astolfo.social]

@dalias@hachyderm.io that sounds like "blocking" here means not appearing on someone else's feed

The Mastodon API is publicly available and blocking the author of the app or the instance won't do anything

[dalias@hachyderm.io]

RE: https://hachyderm.io/@dalias/116289558240910154

@natty In the case of this app, it scrapes from its user's feed, so if you block its user, you will not be in the feed it scrapes.

These techbros want us to believe their "it's silly to have norms if the machine can't enforce them" bullshit. Here, whatever blocking we can do is a statement of our disapproval of their attempts to bypass our consent and reduce the damage, not a surrender of our standing to demand they stop doing things that technical measures fundamentally can't stop.

[srazkvt@tech.lgbt]

@dalias @natty so you need to block every single user who uses this, and they definitely won't all report it

nice

at least the search engine projects are few and far between and have generally few accounts needed to block, but this is every user which is significantly worse

[natty@astolfo.social]

@dalias@hachyderm.io I said what now?

[natty@astolfo.social]

@SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt @dalias@hachyderm.io we have a flag for this https://docs.joinmastodon.org/spec/activitypub/#indexable but consent is not real I guess

[dalias@hachyderm.io]

@natty @SRAZKVT No, we do not have a flag for this. "Indexable" means I want people to be able to find my toots in search results. Not that I want to allow corporations to ingest them into their slop regurgitation machines and mimic my writing style but saying things I didn't and would never say and present those things as "summaries" of what I said.

[dalias@hachyderm.io]

@SRAZKVT @natty Or we just need to get seldo to ragequit fedi again after folks are "so mean to him" fediblocking his instance and IP blocking his bot from being used with accounts on their servers. Then he'll leave us alone and go do that shit just on birdchan 2.0.

[dalias@hachyderm.io]

@natty Sorry maybe I misread what you were saying about "blocking won't do anything". I'll edit not to sound accusatory.

[m3t00@app.wafrn.net]

@SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt @natty@astolfo.social @dalias@hachyderm.io

fedi has contracted from early openedness. last few masto versions have new privacy controls. them follows with blank profiles and zero followers? yeah those are the dumb ones.

[wyatt@soc.megatokyo.moe]

@dalias @lawyersgunsnmoney any reason not to block the entirety of alpaca dot gold? without me having to go to check