Almost 50 cities in France have already done away with paid tickets...
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This is great to see. We definitely need to see more of this, though I think it needs a new name.
The article uses the term "free", but you are using the term "without paying a fare".
I like that framing better. It's not "free" transportation because it's still being paid for. But it's "fare-free" transportation as opposed to the other transportation methods that charge a fare.
I really think we need to move to the term "Fareless" or "Fare-free" because it actually does like a feature now.
@gatesvp @GeofCox
In Sweden (Stockholm and Göteborg) there is a "free-fare"-fund called "Planka" (literally Gatecrash)"Join the parking fund!
Planking is both a way to save money and a political act for free public transport.
If you are a member of the parking fund, we will pay your fines on public transport.
Becoming a member only costs 100:-/month in Stockholm and 100:-/month in Gothenburg (300 SEK the first month)."
More:
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Almost 50 cities in France have already done away with paid tickets... "Nearly three million people in France can now use urban public transport without paying a fare. That number is likely to grow after the municipal elections... given the proliferation of proposals to make urban transport at least partially free."
@GeofCox Yay France! Awesome
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Almost 50 cities in France have already done away with paid tickets... "Nearly three million people in France can now use urban public transport without paying a fare. That number is likely to grow after the municipal elections... given the proliferation of proposals to make urban transport at least partially free."
@GeofCox I wish they did that here in greater Paris. Here they raised prices and made the carry-over of one ticket less effective. (On the other hand I’m used to Norway’s prices, so they still feel pretty cheap to me here)
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Almost 50 cities in France have already done away with paid tickets... "Nearly three million people in France can now use urban public transport without paying a fare. That number is likely to grow after the municipal elections... given the proliferation of proposals to make urban transport at least partially free."
@GeofCox Why don’t people walk or cycle instead? It is already free. The answer is that authorities don’t want to restrict the speed of motor traffic. Instead they make cyclists wear helmets and hi-viz vests.
You can research the safety issue if you like. The short version is that personal protective equipment is a dead end. It is a distraction from safe cycling infrastructure. As are many things…
Équipements obligatoires à vélo
Pour circuler à vélo, certains accessoires sont obligatoires et d'autres simplement recommandés : casque, gilet, phares, sonnette…
(www.service-public.gouv.fr)
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Almost 50 cities in France have already done away with paid tickets... "Nearly three million people in France can now use urban public transport without paying a fare. That number is likely to grow after the municipal elections... given the proliferation of proposals to make urban transport at least partially free."
Great idea…
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Almost 50 cities in France have already done away with paid tickets... "Nearly three million people in France can now use urban public transport without paying a fare. That number is likely to grow after the municipal elections... given the proliferation of proposals to make urban transport at least partially free."
@GeofCox The best point is made at the very end of the article - "noting that the fact that most roads are free is never questioned."
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Almost 50 cities in France have already done away with paid tickets... "Nearly three million people in France can now use urban public transport without paying a fare. That number is likely to grow after the municipal elections... given the proliferation of proposals to make urban transport at least partially free."
North American standard reply of "we can't do that here, we're not a place that does good things for our people".
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Almost 50 cities in France have already done away with paid tickets... "Nearly three million people in France can now use urban public transport without paying a fare. That number is likely to grow after the municipal elections... given the proliferation of proposals to make urban transport at least partially free."
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Almost 50 cities in France have already done away with paid tickets... "Nearly three million people in France can now use urban public transport without paying a fare. That number is likely to grow after the municipal elections... given the proliferation of proposals to make urban transport at least partially free."
@GeofCox This is exactly the type of progress we need in every major city in the U.S., everywhere in the world. How much better we would be as a civilization to get beyond and finally leave behind our car addiction.
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Almost 50 cities in France have already done away with paid tickets... "Nearly three million people in France can now use urban public transport without paying a fare. That number is likely to grow after the municipal elections... given the proliferation of proposals to make urban transport at least partially free."
@GeofCox But won't that hurt subsidies to Epstien-billionaires
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Almost 50 cities in France have already done away with paid tickets... "Nearly three million people in France can now use urban public transport without paying a fare. That number is likely to grow after the municipal elections... given the proliferation of proposals to make urban transport at least partially free."
That is so cool....
We will never ever see that in america,
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Almost 50 cities in France have already done away with paid tickets... "Nearly three million people in France can now use urban public transport without paying a fare. That number is likely to grow after the municipal elections... given the proliferation of proposals to make urban transport at least partially free."
@GeofCox public transport may be free, but this article isn't
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Almost 50 cities in France have already done away with paid tickets... "Nearly three million people in France can now use urban public transport without paying a fare. That number is likely to grow after the municipal elections... given the proliferation of proposals to make urban transport at least partially free."
@GeofCox @Em0nM4stodon This is great. Here in Torino, no tickets just for university students (still paid tickets for high school students…).
I wonder if any cost-benefit analysis is available to support these actions.
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@GeofCox public transport may be free, but this article isn't
This should take you to a free read: https://archive.ph/z3Zhi
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@GeofCox Why don’t people walk or cycle instead? It is already free. The answer is that authorities don’t want to restrict the speed of motor traffic. Instead they make cyclists wear helmets and hi-viz vests.
You can research the safety issue if you like. The short version is that personal protective equipment is a dead end. It is a distraction from safe cycling infrastructure. As are many things…
Équipements obligatoires à vélo
Pour circuler à vélo, certains accessoires sont obligatoires et d'autres simplement recommandés : casque, gilet, phares, sonnette…
(www.service-public.gouv.fr)
Remember though there are limitations to walking/cycling for many people - the elderly, disabled, poorly, small children, etc...
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Remember though there are limitations to walking/cycling for many people - the elderly, disabled, poorly, small children, etc...
@GeofCox Agree. This goes both ways though. Bike paths are also used by disabled people on scooters. Not everyone can stand up in a turning bus in traffic. Can you travel unassisted in a wheelchair in TGV trains? A more important priority in my opinion.
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This is great to see. We definitely need to see more of this, though I think it needs a new name.
The article uses the term "free", but you are using the term "without paying a fare".
I like that framing better. It's not "free" transportation because it's still being paid for. But it's "fare-free" transportation as opposed to the other transportation methods that charge a fare.
I really think we need to move to the term "Fareless" or "Fare-free" because it actually does like a feature now.
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Almost 50 cities in France have already done away with paid tickets... "Nearly three million people in France can now use urban public transport without paying a fare. That number is likely to grow after the municipal elections... given the proliferation of proposals to make urban transport at least partially free."
@GeofCox I honestly don't know if that's the best policy. At least in the U.S. and Finland, token-fare-transit has had the best track record for sustainability and "public good returns"--not so much in Germany. I lived in Dusseldorf for 2 years. Perhaps the economics of French transit rail are different enough that it makes sense.
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I have heard some people use the term "free at the point of service", but not only is this not catchy, it isn't really accurate either. Drugs are not funded equally, dental care and mental healthcare are not all covered, disability support is so limited that people have to self-insure for glasses.
"Crowdsourced healthcare" is very cozy, but it feels a little more scattershot than it really is. I think "taxpayer funded healthcare" is probably a more accurate term. I don't know if it's catchy enough to replace "free healthcare".
I'm open to ideas here. I would definitely like a better term to just start using.
