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  • geofcox@climatejustice.socialG geofcox@climatejustice.social

    Almost 50 cities in France have already done away with paid tickets... "Nearly three million people in France can now use urban public transport without paying a fare. That number is likely to grow after the municipal elections... given the proliferation of proposals to make urban transport at least partially free."

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    @GeofCox @kennergf Brazil is talking about free urban transportation nation wide

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    • geofcox@climatejustice.socialG geofcox@climatejustice.social

      Almost 50 cities in France have already done away with paid tickets... "Nearly three million people in France can now use urban public transport without paying a fare. That number is likely to grow after the municipal elections... given the proliferation of proposals to make urban transport at least partially free."

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      @GeofCox This is exactly the type of progress we need in every major city in the U.S., everywhere in the world. How much better we would be as a civilization to get beyond and finally leave behind our car addiction.

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      • geofcox@climatejustice.socialG geofcox@climatejustice.social

        Almost 50 cities in France have already done away with paid tickets... "Nearly three million people in France can now use urban public transport without paying a fare. That number is likely to grow after the municipal elections... given the proliferation of proposals to make urban transport at least partially free."

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        @GeofCox But won't that hurt subsidies to Epstien-billionaires

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        • geofcox@climatejustice.socialG geofcox@climatejustice.social

          Almost 50 cities in France have already done away with paid tickets... "Nearly three million people in France can now use urban public transport without paying a fare. That number is likely to grow after the municipal elections... given the proliferation of proposals to make urban transport at least partially free."

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          @GeofCox

          That is so cool....

          We will never ever see that in america,
          If there is no profit, it won't be done.

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          • geofcox@climatejustice.socialG geofcox@climatejustice.social

            Almost 50 cities in France have already done away with paid tickets... "Nearly three million people in France can now use urban public transport without paying a fare. That number is likely to grow after the municipal elections... given the proliferation of proposals to make urban transport at least partially free."

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            @GeofCox public transport may be free, but this article isn't

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            • geofcox@climatejustice.socialG geofcox@climatejustice.social

              Almost 50 cities in France have already done away with paid tickets... "Nearly three million people in France can now use urban public transport without paying a fare. That number is likely to grow after the municipal elections... given the proliferation of proposals to make urban transport at least partially free."

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              @GeofCox @Em0nM4stodon This is great. Here in Torino, no tickets just for university students (still paid tickets for high school students…).

              I wonder if any cost-benefit analysis is available to support these actions.

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              • mewsleah@meow.socialM mewsleah@meow.social

                @GeofCox public transport may be free, but this article isn't

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                @mewsleah

                This should take you to a free read: https://archive.ph/z3Zhi

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                • eriksandblom@mastodon.greenE eriksandblom@mastodon.green

                  @GeofCox Why don’t people walk or cycle instead? It is already free. The answer is that authorities don’t want to restrict the speed of motor traffic. Instead they make cyclists wear helmets and hi-viz vests.

                  You can research the safety issue if you like. The short version is that personal protective equipment is a dead end. It is a distraction from safe cycling infrastructure. As are many things…

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                  Équipements obligatoires à vélo

                  Pour circuler à vélo, certains accessoires sont obligatoires et d'autres simplement recommandés : casque, gilet, phares, sonnette…

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                  @eriksandblom

                  Remember though there are limitations to walking/cycling for many people - the elderly, disabled, poorly, small children, etc...

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                  • geofcox@climatejustice.socialG geofcox@climatejustice.social

                    @eriksandblom

                    Remember though there are limitations to walking/cycling for many people - the elderly, disabled, poorly, small children, etc...

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                    @GeofCox Agree. This goes both ways though. Bike paths are also used by disabled people on scooters. Not everyone can stand up in a turning bus in traffic. Can you travel unassisted in a wheelchair in TGV trains? A more important priority in my opinion.

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                    • pbaesse@bolha.oneP pbaesse@bolha.one

                      @GeofCox @kennergf Brazil is talking about free urban transportation nation wide

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                      @pBaesse @GeofCox yes, please

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                      • gatesvp@mstdn.caG gatesvp@mstdn.ca

                        @GeofCox

                        This is great to see. We definitely need to see more of this, though I think it needs a new name.

                        The article uses the term "free", but you are using the term "without paying a fare".

                        I like that framing better. It's not "free" transportation because it's still being paid for. But it's "fare-free" transportation as opposed to the other transportation methods that charge a fare.

                        I really think we need to move to the term "Fareless" or "Fare-free" because it actually does like a feature now. 😀

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                        @gatesvp @GeofCox Yes, exactly this. We need similar language surrounding other taxpayer funded public goods, too. Like healthcare - in Canada it's not 'free' it's crowdsourced through taxation.

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                        • geofcox@climatejustice.socialG geofcox@climatejustice.social

                          Almost 50 cities in France have already done away with paid tickets... "Nearly three million people in France can now use urban public transport without paying a fare. That number is likely to grow after the municipal elections... given the proliferation of proposals to make urban transport at least partially free."

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                          @GeofCox I honestly don't know if that's the best policy. At least in the U.S. and Finland, token-fare-transit has had the best track record for sustainability and "public good returns"--not so much in Germany. I lived in Dusseldorf for 2 years. Perhaps the economics of French transit rail are different enough that it makes sense.

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                          • braxa26@mindly.socialB braxa26@mindly.social

                            @gatesvp @GeofCox Yes, exactly this. We need similar language surrounding other taxpayer funded public goods, too. Like healthcare - in Canada it's not 'free' it's crowdsourced through taxation.

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                            @braxa26 @GeofCox 💯

                            I have heard some people use the term "free at the point of service", but not only is this not catchy, it isn't really accurate either. Drugs are not funded equally, dental care and mental healthcare are not all covered, disability support is so limited that people have to self-insure for glasses.

                            "Crowdsourced healthcare" is very cozy, but it feels a little more scattershot than it really is. I think "taxpayer funded healthcare" is probably a more accurate term. I don't know if it's catchy enough to replace "free healthcare".

                            I'm open to ideas here. I would definitely like a better term to just start using.

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                            • geofcox@climatejustice.socialG geofcox@climatejustice.social

                              Almost 50 cities in France have already done away with paid tickets... "Nearly three million people in France can now use urban public transport without paying a fare. That number is likely to grow after the municipal elections... given the proliferation of proposals to make urban transport at least partially free."

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                              @GeofCox

                              Ich glaub ich zieh doch wieder nach Frankreich.

                              No intelligent life in Germoney.

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                              • braxa26@mindly.socialB braxa26@mindly.social

                                @gatesvp @GeofCox Yes, exactly this. We need similar language surrounding other taxpayer funded public goods, too. Like healthcare - in Canada it's not 'free' it's crowdsourced through taxation.

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                                @braxa26 @gatesvp @GeofCox

                                The german term ist fahrscheinlos, ticket free.

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                                • geofcox@climatejustice.socialG geofcox@climatejustice.social

                                  Almost 50 cities in France have already done away with paid tickets... "Nearly three million people in France can now use urban public transport without paying a fare. That number is likely to grow after the municipal elections... given the proliferation of proposals to make urban transport at least partially free."

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                                  @GeofCox hey, liebe @mainz_de das wäre hier in unserer Stadt doch auch super, oder? Ich habe am letzten 0-Euro-Samstag mit Geschäftsleuten in der Mainzer Innenstadt gesprochen: da ist so viel mehr los als an anderen Samstagen. Prüft doch mal ob eine sukzessive Ausweitung auf alle Samstage möglich wäre... #Verkehrswende #mobilitat

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                                  • the5thcolumnist@mstdn.caT the5thcolumnist@mstdn.ca

                                    @GeofCox

                                    North American standard reply of "we can't do that here, we're not a place that does good things for our people".

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                                    @the5thColumnist @GeofCox Although looks at Albuquerque...

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                                    • geofcox@climatejustice.socialG geofcox@climatejustice.social

                                      Almost 50 cities in France have already done away with paid tickets... "Nearly three million people in France can now use urban public transport without paying a fare. That number is likely to grow after the municipal elections... given the proliferation of proposals to make urban transport at least partially free."

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                                      @GeofCox I hope Germany wilk follow suite, only makes sense

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                                      • geofcox@climatejustice.socialG geofcox@climatejustice.social

                                        Almost 50 cities in France have already done away with paid tickets... "Nearly three million people in France can now use urban public transport without paying a fare. That number is likely to grow after the municipal elections... given the proliferation of proposals to make urban transport at least partially free."

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                                        @GeofCox

                                        Among the benefits of using taxes to subsidizing public transport are freeing cities from smog, more rapid commutes, fuller usage of trains, less land devoted to cars and parking, much less pollution.

                                        To me, those aims are worth the cost of the taxes required to meet them. Users also avoid the cost of buying, using, and maintaining ever larger cars.

                                        This is the sort of thing Detroit automakers and friends destroyed in America in the 1920s.

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                                        • geofcox@climatejustice.socialG geofcox@climatejustice.social

                                          Almost 50 cities in France have already done away with paid tickets... "Nearly three million people in France can now use urban public transport without paying a fare. That number is likely to grow after the municipal elections... given the proliferation of proposals to make urban transport at least partially free."

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                                          @GeofCox offboard payment, or no payment at all, improves boarding times (dwell times) which is a huge factor in transit speed. it doesn't just help the poor, it helps everyone by making transit faster and better. even if you drive a car, you want transit to be fast because more people will take it, leaving road space for you.

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