Apple is preparing to fold the iPhone — whether or not anyone asked for it.
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@moelassus @kibcol1049 @gareth @peteriskrisjanis went from a 13 Pro to a 17 Pro, mostly for the much better cameras as I do not own a dedicated camera, and the battery was still doing OK at about 75% but getting it to last all day was becoming impossible. Plus I wanted to switch carriers and the new one is 100% better; I could have done that with the old phone but figured it was time.
People who say they have to replace iPhones every year “because Apple does that on purpose" are blaming some nonsense they saw on FaceBorg or whatever. They are wrong.
@david @moelassus @gareth @peteriskrisjanis Never having paid the high price for an i-phone, I can't disagree. Each to his own. If it works for you, good. As I Indicated earlier in this thread, I can get everything I need from a cheaper android, but that might not be good enough for everyone. I'd just urge you to compare specs and check you can't get what you need cheaper.
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@CStamp @gareth @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis yeah I saw that, but is it worth it if security updates stop at year 7
@oftencalledcathy @CStamp @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis
No, not if you use it on the internet. Worst case, you visit the wrong website or get served the wrong advert and your phone gets compromised and they get into your email/online banking.For the majority of people, it’s not just a phone. Keep it up to date. Replace it when security updates stop. The same with old versions of Windows. It’s just not worth the risk.
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@david @moelassus @gareth @peteriskrisjanis Never having paid the high price for an i-phone, I can't disagree. Each to his own. If it works for you, good. As I Indicated earlier in this thread, I can get everything I need from a cheaper android, but that might not be good enough for everyone. I'd just urge you to compare specs and check you can't get what you need cheaper.
@kibcol1049 @moelassus @gareth @peteriskrisjanis That's fine! But the very tight integration of iOS with the Mac and all other Apple kit makes any Android phone a non-starter for me. I don't mind paying a little more for that.
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@oftencalledcathy @CStamp @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis
No, not if you use it on the internet. Worst case, you visit the wrong website or get served the wrong advert and your phone gets compromised and they get into your email/online banking.For the majority of people, it’s not just a phone. Keep it up to date. Replace it when security updates stop. The same with old versions of Windows. It’s just not worth the risk.
@gareth @CStamp @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis I’ve just replaced my laptop for those exact reasons.
I now need ideas for what to do with my old laptop! Which works perfectly *sigh
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@gareth @CStamp @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis I’ve just replaced my laptop for those exact reasons.
I now need ideas for what to do with my old laptop! Which works perfectly *sigh
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@oftencalledcathy @CStamp @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis
No, not if you use it on the internet. Worst case, you visit the wrong website or get served the wrong advert and your phone gets compromised and they get into your email/online banking.For the majority of people, it’s not just a phone. Keep it up to date. Replace it when security updates stop. The same with old versions of Windows. It’s just not worth the risk.
@gareth @oftencalledcathy @CStamp @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis I've been team Apple since 2007 when I got my first iPod. I've used my devices to death and certainly don't need to replace them every year. When we do replace them, we get a very nice trade in value.
My husband and I have never had a security incident or virus and my phones and iPad are often several years old.
Contrast that to my mum and brother on Android. My mum was constantly having to replace tablets or reset to factory settings and always having virus or malware issues. My brother and mother constantly had to replace their phones as providers folded (HTC) or something wasn't working. My brother works in tech and even he has constant issues.
Yes, you need to keep security up to date on an iPhone / iPad like any device, but if I click on the wrong link on them, nothing happens. If I do it on a windows PC or Android, I can get malware or a virus without realising it
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@gareth @peteriskrisjanis Amazing. I think that's an exception. But does he use it much, I suspect not.
@kibcol1049 @gareth @peteriskrisjanis My son uses my iPhone 12 and it’s perfectly fine. And yes he uses it a lot and for gaming too. I’m not getting where this idea comes from that Apple obsoletes hardware.
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@CStamp @gareth @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis yeah I saw that, but is it worth it if security updates stop at year 7
@oftencalledcathy @CStamp @gareth @peteriskrisjanis
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@gareth @oftencalledcathy @CStamp @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis I've been team Apple since 2007 when I got my first iPod. I've used my devices to death and certainly don't need to replace them every year. When we do replace them, we get a very nice trade in value.
My husband and I have never had a security incident or virus and my phones and iPad are often several years old.
Contrast that to my mum and brother on Android. My mum was constantly having to replace tablets or reset to factory settings and always having virus or malware issues. My brother and mother constantly had to replace their phones as providers folded (HTC) or something wasn't working. My brother works in tech and even he has constant issues.
Yes, you need to keep security up to date on an iPhone / iPad like any device, but if I click on the wrong link on them, nothing happens. If I do it on a windows PC or Android, I can get malware or a virus without realising it
@mandy @gareth @oftencalledcathy @CStamp @peteriskrisjanis That's good to hear. It just illustrates people's different experiences. I don't know why some people have problems, but as I've said my main issue is the cost. Android is definitely cheaper but if the spec is not good enough and you can afford it, stick with Apple.
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@gareth @CStamp @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis I’ve just replaced my laptop for those exact reasons.
I now need ideas for what to do with my old laptop! Which works perfectly *sigh
@oftencalledcathy @CStamp @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis
If you’re all set up on the new one, you could learn how to install Linux on the old one without having to worry about data loss if you get it wrong a few times. Or you could donate it to a charity that will refurb it. -
@mandy @gareth @oftencalledcathy @CStamp @peteriskrisjanis That's good to hear. It just illustrates people's different experiences. I don't know why some people have problems, but as I've said my main issue is the cost. Android is definitely cheaper but if the spec is not good enough and you can afford it, stick with Apple.
@kibcol1049 @mandy @gareth @CStamp @peteriskrisjanis
I’ve been a Mac user since 1990
and never had a security issue, but with their popularity now, it pays to be careful -
@oftencalledcathy @CStamp @gareth @peteriskrisjanis
Maybe we would still be in the Garden of Eden if Eve had given Adam an Android instead of an Apple! 🤭 -
@kibcol1049 @gareth @peteriskrisjanis My son uses my iPhone 12 and it’s perfectly fine. And yes he uses it a lot and for gaming too. I’m not getting where this idea comes from that Apple obsoletes hardware.
@johan @gareth @peteriskrisjanis There were reports of new software updates slowing the device down so that people updated before they needed to. The reports are on line. If you are happy then they can't affect everyone.
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@kibcol1049 @gareth @peteriskrisjanis My son uses my iPhone 12 and it’s perfectly fine. And yes he uses it a lot and for gaming too. I’m not getting where this idea comes from that Apple obsoletes hardware.
@johan @kibcol1049 @gareth @peteriskrisjanis My mom still uses an iPod Shuffle and loves it.
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@johan @gareth @peteriskrisjanis There were reports of new software updates slowing the device down so that people updated before they needed to. The reports are on line. If you are happy then they can't affect everyone.
@kibcol1049 @gareth @peteriskrisjanis I have never seen any actual proof of this
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@johan @kibcol1049 @gareth @peteriskrisjanis My mom still uses an iPod Shuffle and loves it.
@lafnlab @kibcol1049 @gareth @peteriskrisjanis I have one too still. I should check if it still works
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@kibcol1049 @gareth @peteriskrisjanis I have never seen any actual proof of this
@johan @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis
It’s one of those apocryphal stories. There’s a grain of truth in it, but as I said earlier: no reputable company would risk this as they’d be destroyed when it eventually came out.The article below mentions that right after an update, devices do a lot of optimising and re-indexing which will slow a device down for a bit until that finishes. So give it a chance for a couple of days before throwing it in the bin.
https://techycharlestown.com/post/devices-slow-down-after-updates
The other key one there is about batteries. Apple famously released an update about the iPhone 6S time which reduced performance to preserve battery life (there was a hardware problem with them or something, they ended up having to replace batteries for affected users). The militant anti-Apple party of the Internet immediately jumped on this to “prove” that Android was best and Apple sucked (because when you’ve reached the point in your life when sniping at one megacorp to defend your preferred megacorp is what you do, I guess you’ve pretty much given up at anything else). But people aren’t generally buying phones to be workhorses, they want to use them all day without needing to recharge. So they historically made the phone less powerful to extend the battery.
Nowadays iPhones have a couple of user-accessible settings to decide if they want this on or not (“adaptive power”). I assume Androids have something similar
But everyone makes tweaks to software and the older your device, the less capable it will be at running newer things. That’s just life.
I get the ideology behind it, but the people who are saying that they should be able to run the latest and greatest software on their “perfectly good” device they bought back in 2008 are just living in a fantasy land.
Personally, given the current AI-driven RAM crisis, I actually think the Apples and Googles of the world will be trying like hell to optimise their software at the moment because it’ll be a hard sell to just stick more memory in things for a while and dramatically increase the price. Which will be good for older devices if it happens.
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@johan @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis
It’s one of those apocryphal stories. There’s a grain of truth in it, but as I said earlier: no reputable company would risk this as they’d be destroyed when it eventually came out.The article below mentions that right after an update, devices do a lot of optimising and re-indexing which will slow a device down for a bit until that finishes. So give it a chance for a couple of days before throwing it in the bin.
https://techycharlestown.com/post/devices-slow-down-after-updates
The other key one there is about batteries. Apple famously released an update about the iPhone 6S time which reduced performance to preserve battery life (there was a hardware problem with them or something, they ended up having to replace batteries for affected users). The militant anti-Apple party of the Internet immediately jumped on this to “prove” that Android was best and Apple sucked (because when you’ve reached the point in your life when sniping at one megacorp to defend your preferred megacorp is what you do, I guess you’ve pretty much given up at anything else). But people aren’t generally buying phones to be workhorses, they want to use them all day without needing to recharge. So they historically made the phone less powerful to extend the battery.
Nowadays iPhones have a couple of user-accessible settings to decide if they want this on or not (“adaptive power”). I assume Androids have something similar
But everyone makes tweaks to software and the older your device, the less capable it will be at running newer things. That’s just life.
I get the ideology behind it, but the people who are saying that they should be able to run the latest and greatest software on their “perfectly good” device they bought back in 2008 are just living in a fantasy land.
Personally, given the current AI-driven RAM crisis, I actually think the Apples and Googles of the world will be trying like hell to optimise their software at the moment because it’ll be a hard sell to just stick more memory in things for a while and dramatically increase the price. Which will be good for older devices if it happens.
@gareth @johan @peteriskrisjanis Thanks for that.
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@johan @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis
It’s one of those apocryphal stories. There’s a grain of truth in it, but as I said earlier: no reputable company would risk this as they’d be destroyed when it eventually came out.The article below mentions that right after an update, devices do a lot of optimising and re-indexing which will slow a device down for a bit until that finishes. So give it a chance for a couple of days before throwing it in the bin.
https://techycharlestown.com/post/devices-slow-down-after-updates
The other key one there is about batteries. Apple famously released an update about the iPhone 6S time which reduced performance to preserve battery life (there was a hardware problem with them or something, they ended up having to replace batteries for affected users). The militant anti-Apple party of the Internet immediately jumped on this to “prove” that Android was best and Apple sucked (because when you’ve reached the point in your life when sniping at one megacorp to defend your preferred megacorp is what you do, I guess you’ve pretty much given up at anything else). But people aren’t generally buying phones to be workhorses, they want to use them all day without needing to recharge. So they historically made the phone less powerful to extend the battery.
Nowadays iPhones have a couple of user-accessible settings to decide if they want this on or not (“adaptive power”). I assume Androids have something similar
But everyone makes tweaks to software and the older your device, the less capable it will be at running newer things. That’s just life.
I get the ideology behind it, but the people who are saying that they should be able to run the latest and greatest software on their “perfectly good” device they bought back in 2008 are just living in a fantasy land.
Personally, given the current AI-driven RAM crisis, I actually think the Apples and Googles of the world will be trying like hell to optimise their software at the moment because it’ll be a hard sell to just stick more memory in things for a while and dramatically increase the price. Which will be good for older devices if it happens.
@gareth @johan @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis I worked as an apple certified repair technician back when this happened. The big problem is that they made this change to the phones without telling anyone they were doing it. Right at the same time that they released a new model of iPhone. Although their justification was believable, the timing was extremely suspicious. In short, they screwed up so royally that they agreed to replace the battery in any iPhone 6s regardless of how it tested. I was required to run the battery diagnostic, but whether or not the battery health was degraded, I was to provide free battery replacement for anyone who wanted one.
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@oftencalledcathy @CStamp @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis
No, not if you use it on the internet. Worst case, you visit the wrong website or get served the wrong advert and your phone gets compromised and they get into your email/online banking.For the majority of people, it’s not just a phone. Keep it up to date. Replace it when security updates stop. The same with old versions of Windows. It’s just not worth the risk.
@gareth @oftencalledcathy @CStamp @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis buy a good virus checker and VPN. Use a secur browser that checks the site address.
