Apple is preparing to fold the iPhone — whether or not anyone asked for it.
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@mandy @gareth @oftencalledcathy @CStamp @peteriskrisjanis That's good to hear. It just illustrates people's different experiences. I don't know why some people have problems, but as I've said my main issue is the cost. Android is definitely cheaper but if the spec is not good enough and you can afford it, stick with Apple.
@kibcol1049 @mandy @gareth @CStamp @peteriskrisjanis
I’ve been a Mac user since 1990
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@oftencalledcathy @CStamp @gareth @peteriskrisjanis
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@kibcol1049 @gareth @peteriskrisjanis My son uses my iPhone 12 and it’s perfectly fine. And yes he uses it a lot and for gaming too. I’m not getting where this idea comes from that Apple obsoletes hardware.
@johan @gareth @peteriskrisjanis There were reports of new software updates slowing the device down so that people updated before they needed to. The reports are on line. If you are happy then they can't affect everyone.
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@kibcol1049 @gareth @peteriskrisjanis My son uses my iPhone 12 and it’s perfectly fine. And yes he uses it a lot and for gaming too. I’m not getting where this idea comes from that Apple obsoletes hardware.
@johan @kibcol1049 @gareth @peteriskrisjanis My mom still uses an iPod Shuffle and loves it.
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@johan @gareth @peteriskrisjanis There were reports of new software updates slowing the device down so that people updated before they needed to. The reports are on line. If you are happy then they can't affect everyone.
@kibcol1049 @gareth @peteriskrisjanis I have never seen any actual proof of this
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@johan @kibcol1049 @gareth @peteriskrisjanis My mom still uses an iPod Shuffle and loves it.
@lafnlab @kibcol1049 @gareth @peteriskrisjanis I have one too still. I should check if it still works
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@kibcol1049 @gareth @peteriskrisjanis I have never seen any actual proof of this
@johan @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis
It’s one of those apocryphal stories. There’s a grain of truth in it, but as I said earlier: no reputable company would risk this as they’d be destroyed when it eventually came out.The article below mentions that right after an update, devices do a lot of optimising and re-indexing which will slow a device down for a bit until that finishes. So give it a chance for a couple of days before throwing it in the bin.
Why Your Devices Slow Down After Updates — The Hidden Side of Software Evolution | Techy Charlestown
Learn why your phone, tablet, or computer slows down after updates. Discover hidden reasons behind software evolution and how to keep your device fast.
(techycharlestown.com)
The other key one there is about batteries. Apple famously released an update about the iPhone 6S time which reduced performance to preserve battery life (there was a hardware problem with them or something, they ended up having to replace batteries for affected users). The militant anti-Apple party of the Internet immediately jumped on this to “prove” that Android was best and Apple sucked (because when you’ve reached the point in your life when sniping at one megacorp to defend your preferred megacorp is what you do, I guess you’ve pretty much given up at anything else). But people aren’t generally buying phones to be workhorses, they want to use them all day without needing to recharge. So they historically made the phone less powerful to extend the battery.
Nowadays iPhones have a couple of user-accessible settings to decide if they want this on or not (“adaptive power”). I assume Androids have something similar
But everyone makes tweaks to software and the older your device, the less capable it will be at running newer things. That’s just life.
I get the ideology behind it, but the people who are saying that they should be able to run the latest and greatest software on their “perfectly good” device they bought back in 2008 are just living in a fantasy land.
Personally, given the current AI-driven RAM crisis, I actually think the Apples and Googles of the world will be trying like hell to optimise their software at the moment because it’ll be a hard sell to just stick more memory in things for a while and dramatically increase the price. Which will be good for older devices if it happens.
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@johan @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis
It’s one of those apocryphal stories. There’s a grain of truth in it, but as I said earlier: no reputable company would risk this as they’d be destroyed when it eventually came out.The article below mentions that right after an update, devices do a lot of optimising and re-indexing which will slow a device down for a bit until that finishes. So give it a chance for a couple of days before throwing it in the bin.
Why Your Devices Slow Down After Updates — The Hidden Side of Software Evolution | Techy Charlestown
Learn why your phone, tablet, or computer slows down after updates. Discover hidden reasons behind software evolution and how to keep your device fast.
(techycharlestown.com)
The other key one there is about batteries. Apple famously released an update about the iPhone 6S time which reduced performance to preserve battery life (there was a hardware problem with them or something, they ended up having to replace batteries for affected users). The militant anti-Apple party of the Internet immediately jumped on this to “prove” that Android was best and Apple sucked (because when you’ve reached the point in your life when sniping at one megacorp to defend your preferred megacorp is what you do, I guess you’ve pretty much given up at anything else). But people aren’t generally buying phones to be workhorses, they want to use them all day without needing to recharge. So they historically made the phone less powerful to extend the battery.
Nowadays iPhones have a couple of user-accessible settings to decide if they want this on or not (“adaptive power”). I assume Androids have something similar
But everyone makes tweaks to software and the older your device, the less capable it will be at running newer things. That’s just life.
I get the ideology behind it, but the people who are saying that they should be able to run the latest and greatest software on their “perfectly good” device they bought back in 2008 are just living in a fantasy land.
Personally, given the current AI-driven RAM crisis, I actually think the Apples and Googles of the world will be trying like hell to optimise their software at the moment because it’ll be a hard sell to just stick more memory in things for a while and dramatically increase the price. Which will be good for older devices if it happens.
@gareth @johan @peteriskrisjanis Thanks for that.
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@johan @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis
It’s one of those apocryphal stories. There’s a grain of truth in it, but as I said earlier: no reputable company would risk this as they’d be destroyed when it eventually came out.The article below mentions that right after an update, devices do a lot of optimising and re-indexing which will slow a device down for a bit until that finishes. So give it a chance for a couple of days before throwing it in the bin.
Why Your Devices Slow Down After Updates — The Hidden Side of Software Evolution | Techy Charlestown
Learn why your phone, tablet, or computer slows down after updates. Discover hidden reasons behind software evolution and how to keep your device fast.
(techycharlestown.com)
The other key one there is about batteries. Apple famously released an update about the iPhone 6S time which reduced performance to preserve battery life (there was a hardware problem with them or something, they ended up having to replace batteries for affected users). The militant anti-Apple party of the Internet immediately jumped on this to “prove” that Android was best and Apple sucked (because when you’ve reached the point in your life when sniping at one megacorp to defend your preferred megacorp is what you do, I guess you’ve pretty much given up at anything else). But people aren’t generally buying phones to be workhorses, they want to use them all day without needing to recharge. So they historically made the phone less powerful to extend the battery.
Nowadays iPhones have a couple of user-accessible settings to decide if they want this on or not (“adaptive power”). I assume Androids have something similar
But everyone makes tweaks to software and the older your device, the less capable it will be at running newer things. That’s just life.
I get the ideology behind it, but the people who are saying that they should be able to run the latest and greatest software on their “perfectly good” device they bought back in 2008 are just living in a fantasy land.
Personally, given the current AI-driven RAM crisis, I actually think the Apples and Googles of the world will be trying like hell to optimise their software at the moment because it’ll be a hard sell to just stick more memory in things for a while and dramatically increase the price. Which will be good for older devices if it happens.
@gareth @johan @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis I worked as an apple certified repair technician back when this happened. The big problem is that they made this change to the phones without telling anyone they were doing it. Right at the same time that they released a new model of iPhone. Although their justification was believable, the timing was extremely suspicious. In short, they screwed up so royally that they agreed to replace the battery in any iPhone 6s regardless of how it tested. I was required to run the battery diagnostic, but whether or not the battery health was degraded, I was to provide free battery replacement for anyone who wanted one.
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@oftencalledcathy @CStamp @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis
No, not if you use it on the internet. Worst case, you visit the wrong website or get served the wrong advert and your phone gets compromised and they get into your email/online banking.For the majority of people, it’s not just a phone. Keep it up to date. Replace it when security updates stop. The same with old versions of Windows. It’s just not worth the risk.
@gareth @oftencalledcathy @CStamp @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis buy a good virus checker and VPN. Use a secur browser that checks the site address.
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@stuartl @gareth @CStamp @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis I do no financial transactions on my phone
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@gareth @oftencalledcathy @CStamp @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis buy a good virus checker and VPN. Use a secur browser that checks the site address.
@John_Loader @gareth @CStamp @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis any recommendations for a VPN? It’s on my shopping list again
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@gareth @johan @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis I worked as an apple certified repair technician back when this happened. The big problem is that they made this change to the phones without telling anyone they were doing it. Right at the same time that they released a new model of iPhone. Although their justification was believable, the timing was extremely suspicious. In short, they screwed up so royally that they agreed to replace the battery in any iPhone 6s regardless of how it tested. I was required to run the battery diagnostic, but whether or not the battery health was degraded, I was to provide free battery replacement for anyone who wanted one.
@TheMNWolf @gareth @johan @peteriskrisjanis Amazing story, thanks. That probably explains how the incidents have arisen.
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@gareth @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis I’m happily using an iPhone SE from early 2021, the only issue for me is the battery life of approx 12 hours now!
@oftencalledcathy @gareth @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis My pre-plague Android phone no longer has a battery life of six days but it does lots better than a few hours!
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@TheMNWolf @gareth @johan @peteriskrisjanis Amazing story, thanks. That probably explains how the incidents have arisen.
@kibcol1049 @TheMNWolf @gareth @peteriskrisjanis I remember this as well. My ex worked at an Apple Store at that time
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@John_Loader @gareth @CStamp @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis any recommendations for a VPN? It’s on my shopping list again
@oftencalledcathy @John_Loader @gareth @CStamp @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis
I haven't used it myself, but the company was started by an ex-collegue that I think very highly of: https://nym.com/
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@johan @gareth @peteriskrisjanis There were reports of new software updates slowing the device down so that people updated before they needed to. The reports are on line. If you are happy then they can't affect everyone.
"Apple, of course, fully understood such effects on sales."
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54996601
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@johan @gareth @peteriskrisjanis There were reports of new software updates slowing the device down so that people updated before they needed to. The reports are on line. If you are happy then they can't affect everyone.
@kibcol1049 @johan @gareth @peteriskrisjanis iPhone 12 w/0 issues. Bullied by family into getting 17 b/c OS next year. Currently iOS 26 supports iPhone 11 & up tho. Their other argument was a massive trade in deal (making new one less than hundred dollars) and that the trade in will be not worth much by the time I actually need a phone. That said, phone was stolen while going from NV to CA via UPS. Even phone knows I don’t want it.
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@kibcol1049 @gareth @peteriskrisjanis This hasn’t been my experience at all. I’m on my 3rd iPhone, my first being the iPhone 6, then 11 and now 16. I have kept all of my iPhones for 5 years and have never upgraded because they stopped working or slowed down. I just feel like 5yrs is good enough value for me. At five years, reduced battery life is beginning to feel noticeable and enough improvements have been made for me to justify the upgrade.
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@oftencalledcathy @gareth @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis My pre-plague Android phone no longer has a battery life of six days but it does lots better than a few hours!
