Apple is preparing to fold the iPhone — whether or not anyone asked for it.
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@gareth @peteriskrisjanis Amazing. I think that's an exception. But does he use it much, I suspect not.
@kibcol1049 @gareth @peteriskrisjanis
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@moelassus @gareth @peteriskrisjanis That's good. It's seems some have issues and some don't. It's the price which puts me off. Apple have in the past settled out of court for stealing technology from Android and vice versa. The net effect is I can get everything I want in a Samsung Android that costs a lot less than the i-phone and just as reliable.
@kibcol1049 @gareth @peteriskrisjanis Choice and competition is good.
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@kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis
That’s an excuse, at best. My dad is still using my iPhone 12 from five years ago quite happily. The only reason I upgraded from it was that they switched to USB-C two years ago.@gareth @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis I’m happily using an iPhone SE from early 2021, the only issue for me is the battery life of approx 12 hours now!
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@gareth @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis I’m happily using an iPhone SE from early 2021, the only issue for me is the battery life of approx 12 hours now!
@oftencalledcathy @gareth @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis IPhone 11 here. Lasts most of the day. But recharges in the car when out
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@oftencalledcathy @gareth @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis IPhone 11 here. Lasts most of the day. But recharges in the car when out
@kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis @gareth @John_Loader I do the same
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@peteriskrisjanis I've never owned an i-phone. A friend loves them but has to keep buying a new one every year as the built in obsoletion kicks in. Despite the fact that he only uses the main features which are now available for a quarter of the price in android phones. Still -he's happy, poorer but happy! 🤭
@kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis Built-in obsolesce is in the human. I used a 4s until two years ago, when 3G got turned off. No one needs a new phone every year. That's either having a lot of extra money or a phone plan that keeps customers updated with new phones, or really into FMO, addicted to new tech.
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@gareth @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis I’m happily using an iPhone SE from early 2021, the only issue for me is the battery life of approx 12 hours now!
@oftencalledcathy You might be able to have the battery replaced. If not by Apple, then by shops specializing in out-of-warranty repairs. @gareth @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis
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@oftencalledcathy You might be able to have the battery replaced. If not by Apple, then by shops specializing in out-of-warranty repairs. @gareth @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis
@CStamp @gareth @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis yeah I saw that, but is it worth it if security updates stop at year 7
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@CStamp @gareth @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis yeah I saw that, but is it worth it if security updates stop at year 7
@oftencalledcathy If you are still using the phone, it keeps it more functional. @gareth @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis
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@kibcol1049 @gareth @peteriskrisjanis This hasn’t been my experience at all. I’m on my 3rd iPhone, my first being the iPhone 6, then 11 and now 16. I have kept all of my iPhones for 5 years and have never upgraded because they stopped working or slowed down. I just feel like 5yrs is good enough value for me. At five years, reduced battery life is beginning to feel noticeable and enough improvements have been made for me to justify the upgrade.
@moelassus @kibcol1049 @gareth @peteriskrisjanis went from a 13 Pro to a 17 Pro, mostly for the much better cameras as I do not own a dedicated camera, and the battery was still doing OK at about 75% but getting it to last all day was becoming impossible. Plus I wanted to switch carriers and the new one is 100% better; I could have done that with the old phone but figured it was time.
People who say they have to replace iPhones every year “because Apple does that on purpose" are blaming some nonsense they saw on FaceBorg or whatever. They are wrong.
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@moelassus @kibcol1049 @gareth @peteriskrisjanis went from a 13 Pro to a 17 Pro, mostly for the much better cameras as I do not own a dedicated camera, and the battery was still doing OK at about 75% but getting it to last all day was becoming impossible. Plus I wanted to switch carriers and the new one is 100% better; I could have done that with the old phone but figured it was time.
People who say they have to replace iPhones every year “because Apple does that on purpose" are blaming some nonsense they saw on FaceBorg or whatever. They are wrong.
@david @moelassus @gareth @peteriskrisjanis Never having paid the high price for an i-phone, I can't disagree. Each to his own. If it works for you, good. As I Indicated earlier in this thread, I can get everything I need from a cheaper android, but that might not be good enough for everyone. I'd just urge you to compare specs and check you can't get what you need cheaper.
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@CStamp @gareth @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis yeah I saw that, but is it worth it if security updates stop at year 7
@oftencalledcathy @CStamp @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis
No, not if you use it on the internet. Worst case, you visit the wrong website or get served the wrong advert and your phone gets compromised and they get into your email/online banking.For the majority of people, it’s not just a phone. Keep it up to date. Replace it when security updates stop. The same with old versions of Windows. It’s just not worth the risk.
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@david @moelassus @gareth @peteriskrisjanis Never having paid the high price for an i-phone, I can't disagree. Each to his own. If it works for you, good. As I Indicated earlier in this thread, I can get everything I need from a cheaper android, but that might not be good enough for everyone. I'd just urge you to compare specs and check you can't get what you need cheaper.
@kibcol1049 @moelassus @gareth @peteriskrisjanis That's fine! But the very tight integration of iOS with the Mac and all other Apple kit makes any Android phone a non-starter for me. I don't mind paying a little more for that.
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@oftencalledcathy @CStamp @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis
No, not if you use it on the internet. Worst case, you visit the wrong website or get served the wrong advert and your phone gets compromised and they get into your email/online banking.For the majority of people, it’s not just a phone. Keep it up to date. Replace it when security updates stop. The same with old versions of Windows. It’s just not worth the risk.
@gareth @CStamp @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis I’ve just replaced my laptop for those exact reasons.
I now need ideas for what to do with my old laptop! Which works perfectly *sigh
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@gareth @CStamp @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis I’ve just replaced my laptop for those exact reasons.
I now need ideas for what to do with my old laptop! Which works perfectly *sigh
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@oftencalledcathy @CStamp @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis
No, not if you use it on the internet. Worst case, you visit the wrong website or get served the wrong advert and your phone gets compromised and they get into your email/online banking.For the majority of people, it’s not just a phone. Keep it up to date. Replace it when security updates stop. The same with old versions of Windows. It’s just not worth the risk.
@gareth @oftencalledcathy @CStamp @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis I've been team Apple since 2007 when I got my first iPod. I've used my devices to death and certainly don't need to replace them every year. When we do replace them, we get a very nice trade in value.
My husband and I have never had a security incident or virus and my phones and iPad are often several years old.
Contrast that to my mum and brother on Android. My mum was constantly having to replace tablets or reset to factory settings and always having virus or malware issues. My brother and mother constantly had to replace their phones as providers folded (HTC) or something wasn't working. My brother works in tech and even he has constant issues.
Yes, you need to keep security up to date on an iPhone / iPad like any device, but if I click on the wrong link on them, nothing happens. If I do it on a windows PC or Android, I can get malware or a virus without realising it
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@gareth @peteriskrisjanis Amazing. I think that's an exception. But does he use it much, I suspect not.
@kibcol1049 @gareth @peteriskrisjanis My son uses my iPhone 12 and it’s perfectly fine. And yes he uses it a lot and for gaming too. I’m not getting where this idea comes from that Apple obsoletes hardware.
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@CStamp @gareth @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis yeah I saw that, but is it worth it if security updates stop at year 7
@oftencalledcathy @CStamp @gareth @peteriskrisjanis
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@gareth @oftencalledcathy @CStamp @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis I've been team Apple since 2007 when I got my first iPod. I've used my devices to death and certainly don't need to replace them every year. When we do replace them, we get a very nice trade in value.
My husband and I have never had a security incident or virus and my phones and iPad are often several years old.
Contrast that to my mum and brother on Android. My mum was constantly having to replace tablets or reset to factory settings and always having virus or malware issues. My brother and mother constantly had to replace their phones as providers folded (HTC) or something wasn't working. My brother works in tech and even he has constant issues.
Yes, you need to keep security up to date on an iPhone / iPad like any device, but if I click on the wrong link on them, nothing happens. If I do it on a windows PC or Android, I can get malware or a virus without realising it
@mandy @gareth @oftencalledcathy @CStamp @peteriskrisjanis That's good to hear. It just illustrates people's different experiences. I don't know why some people have problems, but as I've said my main issue is the cost. Android is definitely cheaper but if the spec is not good enough and you can afford it, stick with Apple.
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@gareth @CStamp @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis I’ve just replaced my laptop for those exact reasons.
I now need ideas for what to do with my old laptop! Which works perfectly *sigh
@oftencalledcathy @CStamp @kibcol1049 @peteriskrisjanis
If you’re all set up on the new one, you could learn how to install Linux on the old one without having to worry about data loss if you get it wrong a few times. Or you could donate it to a charity that will refurb it.
