it's kinda hilarious watching bluesky users talking about how they have to stay on the site, even as it gets worse, because they can't go back to twitter!
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it's not that they don't think mastodon is bad for whatever reason, it's that they don't think about mastodon at all
You may be surprised to learn that very few people outside tech circles know about fedi.
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I don't know why they have this huge blindspot for mastodon, but it is hilarious to see that every time they talk about the viable microblogging platforms, they will list every possibility except fediverse ones
@foone i can think of worse things than being overlooked
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@foone I think people, especially in the USA, want a corporate for profit structure running things and a manager they can yell at. They don't trust a community project run by volunteers without a corporation behind it. They automatically don't take it seriously. They think that's a nice hobby for nerds, but not something they can really use.
@PixelRobot @foone It's a bit funny because in my view that kind of projects depends less on whims of a few entities and the users are more able to help developing and running them.
More independent.
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@PixelRobot @foone It's a bit funny because in my view that kind of projects depends less on whims of a few entities and the users are more able to help developing and running them.
More independent.
@PixelRobot @foone The funny thing is many people in the US seem to value independence and "doing it myself" high but still want to depend on big corporations.
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it's not that they don't think mastodon is bad for whatever reason, it's that they don't think about mastodon at all
@foone I don't really buy the "people want to be breathed down their necks by hostile ceos" theory that I've seen a lot in replies, I rather think it's just that fedi is just too complicated to get into without some dedication (not needed to get into other socials) and without guidance from a friend
fragmentation of not only instances but also software, including cases where certain software doesn't fully support things that other ones do (the most popular of those cases being vanilla mastodon not supporting reactions), does a mighty good job at holding people off I believe
and then there's the problem of fedi just not having the topics and people potential users might wanna see here (artists/friends they know...)
so in the end I think people unsatisfied with bsky just don't look at fedi because it has a reputation of being complicated/jank (which would absolutely be correct)
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@foone I don't really buy the "people want to be breathed down their necks by hostile ceos" theory that I've seen a lot in replies, I rather think it's just that fedi is just too complicated to get into without some dedication (not needed to get into other socials) and without guidance from a friend
fragmentation of not only instances but also software, including cases where certain software doesn't fully support things that other ones do (the most popular of those cases being vanilla mastodon not supporting reactions), does a mighty good job at holding people off I believe
and then there's the problem of fedi just not having the topics and people potential users might wanna see here (artists/friends they know...)
so in the end I think people unsatisfied with bsky just don't look at fedi because it has a reputation of being complicated/jank (which would absolutely be correct)
@foone one of the reasons I moved to fedi in the first place was because a friend or two moved to lethallava.land years ago, so I not only had a figure of reference for guidance but also an instance recommendation, on top of having reached my breaking point with twitter
without a "burst" of motivation like that I find it hard to believe someone is just gonna hop on fedi because of mild dissatisfaction with bsky
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it's not that they don't think mastodon is bad for whatever reason, it's that they don't think about mastodon at all
@foone or the conversation goes something like "I want a social media that [describes fedi]"
"Have you tried mastodon?"
"No! Mastodon is a hellhole."Even if the person got banned from other social media
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@foone or the conversation goes something like "I want a social media that [describes fedi]"
"Have you tried mastodon?"
"No! Mastodon is a hellhole."Even if the person got banned from other social media
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I guess there is technically another option...
but no one wants to move to threads
@foone well @hankgreen (careful, that links to threads) moved to threads and keeps on using twitter so he can yell at it
Be like Hank
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@foone mostly when I try to promote fedi there people yell at me so I stopped
One time I even had someone have a go at me because fedi is apparently anti queer? That was pretty bizarre
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@foone fedi exclusive here. If fedi ever dies we'll just go back to not having socials. This thing has utterly ruined us on everything else.
@old_angry_queer @foone If mastodon closes then I will go to my misskey. Misskey closes? Ehmm , I will go Lemmy, no? Piefied then! Also closed? Ohhh idk, maybe I will do gotosocial? What.. how it's self hosted... Fine there was that mobile one, Holos was it?
What!?.... Well it's not like activitypub is only system. I will try something using diaspora.Honestly I left reddit due mobile API bullshit and head from Reddit about Mastodon. Later I just gone on journey and made several accounts... Some abandoned, but still tried everything, learned new and all thanks to people who host and allow to make accounts.
Wonder how people feel paying Bluesky instead of server owner or they like me, can't afford and using for free. Never thinking to pay back.Everyone knows Mastodon as it's easy to recommend and has presence, but there whole world behind that small frame
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and to clarify: I'm not saying mastodon is 100% perfect or for everyone.
Maybe some of them have tried mastodon and don't like it for whatever reason, sure!
but my point is that they don't even mention it as a possibility.
@foone A lot of the artists I follow quietly confessed they don't like the inter instance jank and how they "can't get reach" on fedi. A friend didn't understand remote following and assumed they had to have an account on every instance. Random people have told me they trust a corporation more than people by virture of consistency of scale. And then, of course, instance drama, closures, or spam and racism on dot social.
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@foone A lot of the artists I follow quietly confessed they don't like the inter instance jank and how they "can't get reach" on fedi. A friend didn't understand remote following and assumed they had to have an account on every instance. Random people have told me they trust a corporation more than people by virture of consistency of scale. And then, of course, instance drama, closures, or spam and racism on dot social.
The instance drama and racism is a far more pervasive problem on mastodon than I thank any mastodon user here is going to ever acknowledge.
I used to openly and energetically suggest people move to mastodon and quite frankly mastodon IS a non answer to many for good reason.
It is overwhelmingly racist in ways that bluesky, twitter tumblr and others are not.
Mastodon has the tech but a far less diverse brain trust and that's what ppl are accurately turned off by.
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@foone A lot of the artists I follow quietly confessed they don't like the inter instance jank and how they "can't get reach" on fedi. A friend didn't understand remote following and assumed they had to have an account on every instance. Random people have told me they trust a corporation more than people by virture of consistency of scale. And then, of course, instance drama, closures, or spam and racism on dot social.
@socketwench @foone
Exactly the same in my observationsPeople who have been already in pain have ZERO tolerance for anything that does not work >99,9% reliable for them, like how they get randomly cut off from friends by defederation or never find them in the first place etc.
People have zero tolerance for beeing pushed to change serversIn a centralised system it either works (or everyone is togther off for a moment), but not the situation that you are broken off a brittle federation
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@foone Yeah, in the furry fandom specifically, there was this really popular instance that a decent chunk of people were in, then there were problems, and the owner got mad at the users and shut it down suddenly, no warning
And it seems to have burned a LOT of peeps, I still see it mentioned as a "never joining Mastodon" reason to this day
@Devourer_ITA @foone
I also have seen popular furries (influencers) constantly tell their audience on Twitter; Instagram and Bluesky that "Mastodon is shit"These influencers are constantly making a kind of competion to create "content" and game the algorithm and surf on the wave of resulting likes
I dont care about influencers and popular people, but they are the ones who set the directions and pull the masses to what they want - and thats the opposite of the model of the Fediversum
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it's not that they don't think mastodon is bad for whatever reason, it's that they don't think about mastodon at all
@foone It isn't doing the same thing as Twitter or Bluesky. There's no central discovery mechanism.
