it's kinda hilarious watching bluesky users talking about how they have to stay on the site, even as it gets worse, because they can't go back to twitter!

[robinsyl@meow.social]

@foone or the conversation goes something like "I want a social media that [describes fedi]"
"Have you tried mastodon?"
"No! Mastodon is a hellhole."

Even if the person got banned from other social media

[patterfloof@meow.social]

@robinsyl @foone ah, but i's our hellhole

[f4grx@chaos.social]

@meena @foone I understand what you mean and I'm sorry if you found my remark misplaced. There are tons of different situations and in no way I am trying to generalize anything.

[f4grx@chaos.social]

@meena @foone my idea was more like, it's better to stay under the regulatory radar typical of large social media platforms and I like the fediverse for this reason. typical example: age verification issues.

[f4grx@chaos.social]

@meena @foone No worries, it could have been an important issue so I preferred to be prudent.

[gunstick@mastodon.opencloud.lu]

@foone well @hankgreen (careful, that links to threads) moved to threads and keeps on using twitter so he can yell at it
Be like Hank

[prokyonid@mastodon.sdf.org]

@eniko @foone I kind of suspect most people check out mastodon.social when they scout out 'Mastodon' and that's how they reach conclusions about how awful it is here.

Myself I'm so glad I never even knew .social existed until after I had been here awhile

[kotking@blorbo.social]

@old_angry_queer @foone If mastodon closes then I will go to my misskey. Misskey closes? Ehmm , I will go Lemmy, no? Piefied then! Also closed? Ohhh idk, maybe I will do gotosocial? What.. how it's self hosted... Fine there was that mobile one, Holos was it?
What!?.... Well it's not like activitypub is only system. I will try something using diaspora.

Honestly I left reddit due mobile API bullshit and head from Reddit about Mastodon. Later I just gone on journey and made several accounts... Some abandoned, but still tried everything, learned new and all thanks to people who host and allow to make accounts.
Wonder how people feel paying Bluesky instead of server owner or they like me, can't afford and using for free. Never thinking to pay back.

Everyone knows Mastodon as it's easy to recommend and has presence, but there whole world behind that small frame

[greatjoe@nyan.network]

@nora @eniko @foone Or they saw what happened to PlayVicious. I'm not saying there's no black people on the fedi but they're definitely not as visible, and that's for a reason.

[socketwench@masto.hackers.town]

@foone A lot of the artists I follow quietly confessed they don't like the inter instance jank and how they "can't get reach" on fedi. A friend didn't understand remote following and assumed they had to have an account on every instance. Random people have told me they trust a corporation more than people by virture of consistency of scale. And then, of course, instance drama, closures, or spam and racism on dot social.

[nullagent@partyon.xyz]

The instance drama and racism is a far more pervasive problem on mastodon than I thank any mastodon user here is going to ever acknowledge.

I used to openly and energetically suggest people move to mastodon and quite frankly mastodon IS a non answer to many for good reason.

It is overwhelmingly racist in ways that bluesky, twitter tumblr and others are not.

Mastodon has the tech but a far less diverse brain trust and that's what ppl are accurately turned off by.

@socketwench @foone

[crazy_pony@rubber.social]

@socketwench @foone
Exactly the same in my observations

People who have been already in pain have ZERO tolerance for anything that does not work >99,9% reliable for them, like how they get randomly cut off from friends by defederation or never find them in the first place etc.
People have zero tolerance for beeing pushed to change servers

In a centralised system it either works (or everyone is togther off for a moment), but not the situation that you are broken off a brittle federation

[crazy_pony@rubber.social]

@Devourer_ITA @foone
I also have seen popular furries (influencers) constantly tell their audience on Twitter; Instagram and Bluesky that "Mastodon is shit"

These influencers are constantly making a kind of competion to create "content" and game the algorithm and surf on the wave of resulting likes

I dont care about influencers and popular people, but they are the ones who set the directions and pull the masses to what they want - and thats the opposite of the model of the Fediversum

[o@b.osmarks.net]

@foone It isn't doing the same thing as Twitter or Bluesky. There's no central discovery mechanism.

[marlo404@bark.wolp.chat]

@flammableengineering@app.wafrn.net @foone@digipres.club

[ronleo] i have also noticed that bluesky users seem to love complaining. i have so many weird filters to keep the doom and gloom off my dash, but it still leaks over…

#if-you-fix-the-problem-there-is-nothing-left-to-complain-about! #not-to-sound-hateful #there-are-a-lot-of-artists-i-love-on-bluesky #just-a-cultural(?)-thing-with-the-site-i-guess

[rotopenguin@mastodon.social]

@foone the prejudice against Pictochat is ridiculous

[oblomov@sociale.network]

@nora @aran @foone I think most of them just come up with excuses to hide the fact that they have grown dependent on the timeline manipulations that constantly feed their timelines and, when they are “VIPs”, blow up their sense of importance

[nothacking@infosec.exchange]

@foone@digipres.club I think it's because mastodon is very different from everything else, largely because it's truly decentralized:

• There is no global feed
• ... so curating a follow list takes time
• ... and you should find an instance with a local feed you like
• ... therefore, the official mastodon.social is not a good choice
• Moderation is done by instances and users
• ... so you don't want a instance that's completely unmoderated or blocks severs because they didn't agree with someone.
• You are the recommendations algorithm
• ... so go boost someone's bullshit.

I can see how these things would really put someone off if they are looking for elon-free twitter, to the point that it seems completely unusable and not worth considering.

... not to say that these are bad things: If you ask any mastodon user, they will respond with "exactly".

Personally, I wouldn't even consider hanging out anywhere where these weren't the case.

[nothacking@infosec.exchange]

@foone@digipres.club As for practical advice, I think that recommending a particular instance would go a long way towards letting people have a good experience.

[flammableengineering@app.wafrn.net]

@marlo404@bark.wolp.chat @foone@digipres.club

I think it’s a combination of the cultural carry-over from Twitter and a natural consequence of the short character limit. I don’t understand how people tolerate the character limit. I live for long posts and in-depth discussions, and I genuinely think the short character limit severely limits critical thought.