it's kinda hilarious watching bluesky users talking about how they have to stay on the site, even as it gets worse, because they can't go back to twitter!

[pare@kamu.social]

@PixelRobot @foone It's a bit funny because in my view that kind of projects depends less on whims of a few entities and the users are more able to help developing and running them.

More independent.

[pare@kamu.social]

@PixelRobot @foone The funny thing is many people in the US seem to value independence and "doing it myself" high but still want to depend on big corporations.

[driftini@wetdry.world]

@foone I don't really buy the "people want to be breathed down their necks by hostile ceos" theory that I've seen a lot in replies, I rather think it's just that fedi is just too complicated to get into without some dedication (not needed to get into other socials) and without guidance from a friend

fragmentation of not only instances but also software, including cases where certain software doesn't fully support things that other ones do (the most popular of those cases being vanilla mastodon not supporting reactions), does a mighty good job at holding people off I believe

and then there's the problem of fedi just not having the topics and people potential users might wanna see here (artists/friends they know...)

so in the end I think people unsatisfied with bsky just don't look at fedi because it has a reputation of being complicated/jank (which would absolutely be correct)

[driftini@wetdry.world]

@foone one of the reasons I moved to fedi in the first place was because a friend or two moved to lethallava.land years ago, so I not only had a figure of reference for guidance but also an instance recommendation, on top of having reached my breaking point with twitter

without a "burst" of motivation like that I find it hard to believe someone is just gonna hop on fedi because of mild dissatisfaction with bsky

[robinsyl@meow.social]

@foone or the conversation goes something like "I want a social media that [describes fedi]"
"Have you tried mastodon?"
"No! Mastodon is a hellhole."

Even if the person got banned from other social media

[patterfloof@meow.social]

@robinsyl @foone ah, but i's our hellhole

[f4grx@chaos.social]

@meena @foone I understand what you mean and I'm sorry if you found my remark misplaced. There are tons of different situations and in no way I am trying to generalize anything.

[f4grx@chaos.social]

@meena @foone my idea was more like, it's better to stay under the regulatory radar typical of large social media platforms and I like the fediverse for this reason. typical example: age verification issues.

[f4grx@chaos.social]

@meena @foone No worries, it could have been an important issue so I preferred to be prudent.

[gunstick@mastodon.opencloud.lu]

@foone well @hankgreen (careful, that links to threads) moved to threads and keeps on using twitter so he can yell at it
Be like Hank

[prokyonid@mastodon.sdf.org]

@eniko @foone I kind of suspect most people check out mastodon.social when they scout out 'Mastodon' and that's how they reach conclusions about how awful it is here.

Myself I'm so glad I never even knew .social existed until after I had been here awhile

[kotking@blorbo.social]

@old_angry_queer @foone If mastodon closes then I will go to my misskey. Misskey closes? Ehmm , I will go Lemmy, no? Piefied then! Also closed? Ohhh idk, maybe I will do gotosocial? What.. how it's self hosted... Fine there was that mobile one, Holos was it?
What!?.... Well it's not like activitypub is only system. I will try something using diaspora.

Honestly I left reddit due mobile API bullshit and head from Reddit about Mastodon. Later I just gone on journey and made several accounts... Some abandoned, but still tried everything, learned new and all thanks to people who host and allow to make accounts.
Wonder how people feel paying Bluesky instead of server owner or they like me, can't afford and using for free. Never thinking to pay back.

Everyone knows Mastodon as it's easy to recommend and has presence, but there whole world behind that small frame

[greatjoe@nyan.network]

@nora @eniko @foone Or they saw what happened to PlayVicious. I'm not saying there's no black people on the fedi but they're definitely not as visible, and that's for a reason.

[socketwench@masto.hackers.town]

@foone A lot of the artists I follow quietly confessed they don't like the inter instance jank and how they "can't get reach" on fedi. A friend didn't understand remote following and assumed they had to have an account on every instance. Random people have told me they trust a corporation more than people by virture of consistency of scale. And then, of course, instance drama, closures, or spam and racism on dot social.

[nullagent@partyon.xyz]

The instance drama and racism is a far more pervasive problem on mastodon than I thank any mastodon user here is going to ever acknowledge.

I used to openly and energetically suggest people move to mastodon and quite frankly mastodon IS a non answer to many for good reason.

It is overwhelmingly racist in ways that bluesky, twitter tumblr and others are not.

Mastodon has the tech but a far less diverse brain trust and that's what ppl are accurately turned off by.

@socketwench @foone

[crazy_pony@rubber.social]

@socketwench @foone
Exactly the same in my observations

People who have been already in pain have ZERO tolerance for anything that does not work >99,9% reliable for them, like how they get randomly cut off from friends by defederation or never find them in the first place etc.
People have zero tolerance for beeing pushed to change servers

In a centralised system it either works (or everyone is togther off for a moment), but not the situation that you are broken off a brittle federation

[crazy_pony@rubber.social]

@Devourer_ITA @foone
I also have seen popular furries (influencers) constantly tell their audience on Twitter; Instagram and Bluesky that "Mastodon is shit"

These influencers are constantly making a kind of competion to create "content" and game the algorithm and surf on the wave of resulting likes

I dont care about influencers and popular people, but they are the ones who set the directions and pull the masses to what they want - and thats the opposite of the model of the Fediversum

[o@b.osmarks.net]

@foone It isn't doing the same thing as Twitter or Bluesky. There's no central discovery mechanism.

[marlo404@bark.wolp.chat]

@flammableengineering@app.wafrn.net @foone@digipres.club

[ronleo] i have also noticed that bluesky users seem to love complaining. i have so many weird filters to keep the doom and gloom off my dash, but it still leaks over…

#if-you-fix-the-problem-there-is-nothing-left-to-complain-about! #not-to-sound-hateful #there-are-a-lot-of-artists-i-love-on-bluesky #just-a-cultural(?)-thing-with-the-site-i-guess

[rotopenguin@mastodon.social]

@foone the prejudice against Pictochat is ridiculous