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  3. Wow some terrible reporting about Google's latest horrible ideas about how to distort information access in the name of "convenience" (or something):

Wow some terrible reporting about Google's latest horrible ideas about how to distort information access in the name of "convenience" (or something):

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  • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

    NO NO NO NO NO! Flashy polished looking webpages that no one has accountability for run absolutely counter to the common good when it comes to a health information ecosystem AND an informed public.

    (Also, "Antigravity"? Yeah, you want us to think this is very cool science fiction and/or magic. Not buying it.)

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    @emilymbender Exactly!

    I understand that business value propositions change over time, but going from "we disrupted search by making a simple interface" to "we ruptured search by making our simple interface complicated (and terrible)" is. well, it's certainly. a choice.

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    • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

      How infantilizing --- you thought you were looking to find something that someone else wrote on the web. But woah! Now you've been "dropped into" an "interactive experience". Yeah, Google can just fuck right off with that.

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      turre@mementomori.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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      @emilymbender
      Yeah, if somebody is still using Google Search, now is the time to get off it. There are other search engines out there.

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      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

        Wow some terrible reporting about Google's latest horrible ideas about how to distort information access in the name of "convenience" (or something):

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        Google Search as you know it is over | TechCrunch

        Google is transforming Search from a list of links into an AI-powered experience filled with conversational answers, autonomous agents, and interactive interfaces — a shift that could further reduce traffic to publishers across the web.

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        @emilymbender I saw someone toot about that Tuesday afternoon, and my reaction to the article was, "So TechCrunch is rewriting Google press releases?" Not a critical thought expressed in the article. IIRC, no quotes from anyone at all, positive or negative. Just a list of supposedly useful features and enhancements.

        Feh.

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        • S shadsterling@mastodon.social

          @romli @hamishb @emilymbender for the AI overview that precedes any actual search results, that link doesn’t describe a persistent opt-out, only a per-search bypass with “ -ai”. Which is a start

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          @ShadSterling @romli @hamishb @emilymbender use duckduckgo and you have simple ai opt out .

          But anyway all this suppose there will be something left to search for on the web. Nowadays most often than not the first 10 links returned are AI generated web site slop.
          Given that this slop is now used to generate further down the drain AI sites, the untrustworthy garbage'll soon supersede 100-1 trustworthy sources.

          Maybe we'll have to come back to human indexed content of a curated list of sites.

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          • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

            Here is where it really starts to show that this journalist is just lightly paraphrasing a press release. "Links will become an afterthought," will they? What is your evidence for that confident statement about the future?

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            @emilymbender alternatively the intended meaning could be "links become an afterthought for Google, because Google doesn't think about links anymore"?

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            • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

              For one final shudder: Pichai here seems to want to think this is helping the world somehow? Gah.

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              @emilymbender
              More rubbish from Google's Pichai.

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              • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                Here is where it really starts to show that this journalist is just lightly paraphrasing a press release. "Links will become an afterthought," will they? What is your evidence for that confident statement about the future?

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                @emilymbender And here is that press release... https://blog.google/products-and-platforms/products/search/search-io-2026/

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                • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                  Wow some terrible reporting about Google's latest horrible ideas about how to distort information access in the name of "convenience" (or something):

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                  Google Search as you know it is over | TechCrunch

                  Google is transforming Search from a list of links into an AI-powered experience filled with conversational answers, autonomous agents, and interactive interfaces — a shift that could further reduce traffic to publishers across the web.

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                  TechCrunch (techcrunch.com)

                  A short thread
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                  @emilymbender so… search is now Google Wave but with robots.

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                  • gerhardd@olching.socialG gerhardd@olching.social

                    @emilymbender The good news: nobody needs #google. I've blocked all their MTAs, and resisted using their apps for quite some time. No problems so far.

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                    @emilymbender@dair-community.social @GerhardD@olching.social eh, gmail is still biiig, i wouldn't outright block it (but it would be fair to send straight to spam lol)
                    most of the stuff's unneeded tho ye
                    there's very little that's actually needed, it's just the Default Effect + ecosystem effect

                    some people do need it tho, much like some people need microslop's stuff
                    usually when they're already invested, and used to things, it would be
                    possible to migrate away but that would take a whole lot of effort for only moral gain

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                    • S shadsterling@mastodon.social

                      @romli @hamishb @emilymbender for the AI overview that precedes any actual search results, that link doesn’t describe a persistent opt-out, only a per-search bypass with “ -ai”. Which is a start

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                      @ShadSterling @romli @hamishb @emilymbender

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                      No Shit Sherlock – Get this Extension for 🦊 Firefox (en-US)

                      Download No Shit Sherlock for Firefox. Filter out AI slop and social media spam from YouTube and DuckDuckGo search results

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                      (addons.mozilla.org)

                      Would love to know if this works for you!

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                      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                        For one final shudder: Pichai here seems to want to think this is helping the world somehow? Gah.

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                        @emilymbender

                        It sounds better than the truth. This helps Google, the ad-company, to better shape the “experience” as it best suits their paying ad-customers.

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                        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                          Not satisfied to cut people off from the important sense-making of looking at information in its context and finding and navigating different perspectives (what "AI overviews" do), Google also wants to tell you what to search for:

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                          @emilymbender
                          "rather than making you decide" is such a fancy way of saying "we've removed your choice".

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                            @Qybat @emilymbender if no one sees the ads, the companies will stop buying adspace. That's not what google wants. So I guess they will embed the ads in the search results.

                            And the web will have finally evolved to be just like television. Just a bit more interactive because you'll be allowed to purchase directly what you see on screen (but probably nothing else).

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                            • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                              More stenography here. Google starting shoving the "AI Overviews" into query results as an opt-out situation. That is, you have to take action to have them not pop up. I don't doubt they are *shown to* 2.5 billion monthly users, but that doesn't mean they are used by as many or desired by them.

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                              @emilymbender this is enshittification of the next level to turn us into brainless puppets on their strings

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                              • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                Wow some terrible reporting about Google's latest horrible ideas about how to distort information access in the name of "convenience" (or something):

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                                Google Search as you know it is over | TechCrunch

                                Google is transforming Search from a list of links into an AI-powered experience filled with conversational answers, autonomous agents, and interactive interfaces — a shift that could further reduce traffic to publishers across the web.

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                                TechCrunch (techcrunch.com)

                                A short thread
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                                @emilymbender Is this an article of press release? Either way it's AWFUL.

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                                • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                  How infantilizing --- you thought you were looking to find something that someone else wrote on the web. But woah! Now you've been "dropped into" an "interactive experience". Yeah, Google can just fuck right off with that.

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                                  @emilymbender

                                  @energisch_

                                  I stopped reading after "Google Search will drop users".

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                                  • yala@degrowth.socialY yala@degrowth.social

                                    @emilymbender

                                    @energisch_

                                    I stopped reading after "Google Search will drop users".

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                                    @yala fits perfectly @emilymbender

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                                    • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                      But all the academic papers in the world showing why something is a bad idea won't stop companies from doing it, if it's profitable and/or fits into their quasi-religious beliefs that "AI" is the future, alas.

                                      So let's look at what Google is up to now, or at least says they are, via TechCrunch as stenographer:

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                                      @emilymbender I'll see you that and raise you cogent arguments about why behavioural change, not just education, are needed: https://www.asc.upenn.edu/news-events/news/largest-quantitative-synthesis-date-reveals-what-predicts-human-behavior-and-how-change-it Secondary reference from the APNIC blog about why IPv6 uptake has failed to reach certain expectations; which, ironically, is a part of the Internet relatively free from unwanted LLM scraper incursion, so far. The neat Hilbert curve based heat maps for IPv4 address spaces do not map so neatly to IPv6 because of the massively increased address space.

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                                      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                        5 years ago (2021) Google researchers Metzler et al put out a preprint talking about how LLMs would change information access ("Rethinking Search"). It was full of TERRIBLE ideas, and Chirag Shah and I wrote a reply ("Situating Search"):

                                        Just a moment...

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                                        @emilymbender The point that their search product was already, to use the vernacular, crap, at this point, must have been lost on them, and Sundar Pichai in particular is responsible for this, as Ed Zitron has neatly elaborated upon elsewhere.

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                                        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                          For one final shudder: Pichai here seems to want to think this is helping the world somehow? Gah.

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                                          @emilymbender Infantalism is GAFAM's Standard Operating Procedure (SOP). The comparisons with Aldous Huxley's seminal work betray themselves.

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