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Wow some terrible reporting about Google's latest horrible ideas about how to distort information access in the name of "convenience" (or something):

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  • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

    Look, I hate pointy-clicky interfaces as much as the next Gen-Xer (let me use the keyboard, dammit) but it is so weird to reduce the important, and importantly effortful, work of navigating the information ecosystem to the apparent drudgery of clicking on links that are (*shudder*) blue!!!

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    odd@mstdn.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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    @emilymbender the 'people acting on information' part is pretty dehumanising as well. As of humans are just a cog in their loop, rather than their product being in ours.

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    • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

      Wow some terrible reporting about Google's latest horrible ideas about how to distort information access in the name of "convenience" (or something):

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      Google Search as you know it is over | TechCrunch

      Google is transforming Search from a list of links into an AI-powered experience filled with conversational answers, autonomous agents, and interactive interfaces — a shift that could further reduce traffic to publishers across the web.

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      A short thread
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      tommi@pan.rentT This user is from outside of this forum
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      @emilymbender

      SEO is going to be so dead.

      To me, it’s Search Engines Ostracism now.

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      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

        Wow some terrible reporting about Google's latest horrible ideas about how to distort information access in the name of "convenience" (or something):

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        Google Search as you know it is over | TechCrunch

        Google is transforming Search from a list of links into an AI-powered experience filled with conversational answers, autonomous agents, and interactive interfaces — a shift that could further reduce traffic to publishers across the web.

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        TechCrunch (techcrunch.com)

        A short thread
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        alsvha@sunny.gardenA This user is from outside of this forum
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        @emilymbender Google will not be satisfied until they control information and people are stuck on their landing page with their version of information.

        It's been a ongoing trend to pull more and more into their page from sources and now even rewrite it.

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        • hamishb@mstdn.caH hamishb@mstdn.ca

          @emilymbender And the opt out function has never really functioned.

          lcwander@toot.communityL This user is from outside of this forum
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          @hamishb @emilymbender the best opt-out mode is using another search engine. Google search enshittification has been going on for at least 5 years. At this point it is just masochism to use it.

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          • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

            Wow some terrible reporting about Google's latest horrible ideas about how to distort information access in the name of "convenience" (or something):

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            Google Search as you know it is over | TechCrunch

            Google is transforming Search from a list of links into an AI-powered experience filled with conversational answers, autonomous agents, and interactive interfaces — a shift that could further reduce traffic to publishers across the web.

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            TechCrunch (techcrunch.com)

            A short thread
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            setok@attractive.spaceS This user is from outside of this forum
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            @emilymbender yeah, even for someone who is pro-tech and interested in AI developments, this @TechCrunch piece read like a press release. It was journalistically extremely weak to the point I felt dumber for reading it.

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            • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

              Wow some terrible reporting about Google's latest horrible ideas about how to distort information access in the name of "convenience" (or something):

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              Google Search as you know it is over | TechCrunch

              Google is transforming Search from a list of links into an AI-powered experience filled with conversational answers, autonomous agents, and interactive interfaces — a shift that could further reduce traffic to publishers across the web.

              favicon

              TechCrunch (techcrunch.com)

              A short thread
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              eurospoofer@mastodon.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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              @emilymbender 2.5 billion users a month they claim.
              Having an AI summary forced into every search doesn't make the searcher a user of the tech. How many people simply ignore the summary?

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              • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                Wow some terrible reporting about Google's latest horrible ideas about how to distort information access in the name of "convenience" (or something):

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                Google Search as you know it is over | TechCrunch

                Google is transforming Search from a list of links into an AI-powered experience filled with conversational answers, autonomous agents, and interactive interfaces — a shift that could further reduce traffic to publishers across the web.

                favicon

                TechCrunch (techcrunch.com)

                A short thread
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                gerhardd@olching.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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                #34

                @emilymbender The good news: nobody needs #google. I've blocked all their MTAs, and resisted using their apps for quite some time. No problems so far.

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                • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                  Wow some terrible reporting about Google's latest horrible ideas about how to distort information access in the name of "convenience" (or something):

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                  Google Search as you know it is over | TechCrunch

                  Google is transforming Search from a list of links into an AI-powered experience filled with conversational answers, autonomous agents, and interactive interfaces — a shift that could further reduce traffic to publishers across the web.

                  favicon

                  TechCrunch (techcrunch.com)

                  A short thread
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                  cockburn@mastodon.moule.worldC This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @emilymbender google is so unreliable now, it's time for them to lose their worldwide use of "google" as a verb.

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                  • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                    NO NO NO NO NO! Flashy polished looking webpages that no one has accountability for run absolutely counter to the common good when it comes to a health information ecosystem AND an informed public.

                    (Also, "Antigravity"? Yeah, you want us to think this is very cool science fiction and/or magic. Not buying it.)

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                    #36

                    @emilymbender Exactly!

                    I understand that business value propositions change over time, but going from "we disrupted search by making a simple interface" to "we ruptured search by making our simple interface complicated (and terrible)" is. well, it's certainly. a choice.

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                    • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                      How infantilizing --- you thought you were looking to find something that someone else wrote on the web. But woah! Now you've been "dropped into" an "interactive experience". Yeah, Google can just fuck right off with that.

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                      @emilymbender
                      Yeah, if somebody is still using Google Search, now is the time to get off it. There are other search engines out there.

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                      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                        Wow some terrible reporting about Google's latest horrible ideas about how to distort information access in the name of "convenience" (or something):

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                        Google Search as you know it is over | TechCrunch

                        Google is transforming Search from a list of links into an AI-powered experience filled with conversational answers, autonomous agents, and interactive interfaces — a shift that could further reduce traffic to publishers across the web.

                        favicon

                        TechCrunch (techcrunch.com)

                        A short thread
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                        roadskater@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @emilymbender I saw someone toot about that Tuesday afternoon, and my reaction to the article was, "So TechCrunch is rewriting Google press releases?" Not a critical thought expressed in the article. IIRC, no quotes from anyone at all, positive or negative. Just a list of supposedly useful features and enhancements.

                        Feh.

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                        • S shadsterling@mastodon.social

                          @romli @hamishb @emilymbender for the AI overview that precedes any actual search results, that link doesn’t describe a persistent opt-out, only a per-search bypass with “ -ai”. Which is a start

                          tomtom@pouet.chapril.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @ShadSterling @romli @hamishb @emilymbender use duckduckgo and you have simple ai opt out .

                          But anyway all this suppose there will be something left to search for on the web. Nowadays most often than not the first 10 links returned are AI generated web site slop.
                          Given that this slop is now used to generate further down the drain AI sites, the untrustworthy garbage'll soon supersede 100-1 trustworthy sources.

                          Maybe we'll have to come back to human indexed content of a curated list of sites.

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                          • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                            Here is where it really starts to show that this journalist is just lightly paraphrasing a press release. "Links will become an afterthought," will they? What is your evidence for that confident statement about the future?

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                            @emilymbender alternatively the intended meaning could be "links become an afterthought for Google, because Google doesn't think about links anymore"?

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                            • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                              For one final shudder: Pichai here seems to want to think this is helping the world somehow? Gah.

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                              @emilymbender
                              More rubbish from Google's Pichai.

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                              • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                Here is where it really starts to show that this journalist is just lightly paraphrasing a press release. "Links will become an afterthought," will they? What is your evidence for that confident statement about the future?

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                                @emilymbender And here is that press release... https://blog.google/products-and-platforms/products/search/search-io-2026/

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                                • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                  Wow some terrible reporting about Google's latest horrible ideas about how to distort information access in the name of "convenience" (or something):

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                                  Google Search as you know it is over | TechCrunch

                                  Google is transforming Search from a list of links into an AI-powered experience filled with conversational answers, autonomous agents, and interactive interfaces — a shift that could further reduce traffic to publishers across the web.

                                  favicon

                                  TechCrunch (techcrunch.com)

                                  A short thread
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                                  @emilymbender so… search is now Google Wave but with robots.

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                                  • gerhardd@olching.socialG gerhardd@olching.social

                                    @emilymbender The good news: nobody needs #google. I've blocked all their MTAs, and resisted using their apps for quite some time. No problems so far.

                                    6@possum.city6 This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @emilymbender@dair-community.social @GerhardD@olching.social eh, gmail is still biiig, i wouldn't outright block it (but it would be fair to send straight to spam lol)
                                    most of the stuff's unneeded tho ye
                                    there's very little that's actually needed, it's just the Default Effect + ecosystem effect

                                    some people do need it tho, much like some people need microslop's stuff
                                    usually when they're already invested, and used to things, it would be
                                    possible to migrate away but that would take a whole lot of effort for only moral gain

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                                    • S shadsterling@mastodon.social

                                      @romli @hamishb @emilymbender for the AI overview that precedes any actual search results, that link doesn’t describe a persistent opt-out, only a per-search bypass with “ -ai”. Which is a start

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                                      @ShadSterling @romli @hamishb @emilymbender

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                                      Download No Shit Sherlock for Firefox. Filter out AI slop and social media spam from YouTube and DuckDuckGo search results

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                                      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                        For one final shudder: Pichai here seems to want to think this is helping the world somehow? Gah.

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                                        @emilymbender

                                        It sounds better than the truth. This helps Google, the ad-company, to better shape the “experience” as it best suits their paying ad-customers.

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                                        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                          Not satisfied to cut people off from the important sense-making of looking at information in its context and finding and navigating different perspectives (what "AI overviews" do), Google also wants to tell you what to search for:

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                                          @emilymbender
                                          "rather than making you decide" is such a fancy way of saying "we've removed your choice".

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