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A COMPUTER CANNOT FIND OUT

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  • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

    A COMPUTER CANNOT FIND OUT

    THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO FUCK AROUND

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    #41

    @mjd in all honesty: if you replace “computer” with “human”, you hit the uncomfortable truth

    • most humans don’t reliably “find out”
    • most humans do fuck around anyway
    • society mostly just hopes the consequences aren’t catastrophic

    humans are somehow permitted to experiment their way through life. but if you applied the same standard, no fucking around unless you can guarantee safe outcomes, then:

    90% of human behaviour would be illegal, regulated, or require a permit

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    • freddy@social.security.plumbingF freddy@social.security.plumbing

      @ll1t the "finding out" typically implies bearing the consequences.

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      #42

      @freddy within the context of reinforcement learning the model does, as there is a penalty. 😉 I’m aware of the intention and that it will not bear the consequences of, say, bombing a girls‘ school due to misclassification, but neither does Whiskey Pete and the rest of the chain of command. I feel that increasingly consequences are only felt at the receiving end of actions and it‘s not an LLM issue, they, as they are trained and used, are merely a symptom of a larger (justice?) problem

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      • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

        A COMPUTER CANNOT FIND OUT

        THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO FUCK AROUND

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        #43

        @mjd
        Excuse me?

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        • manu@freiburg.socialM manu@freiburg.social

          @phooky

          In an engineering class, I learned something along the lines of engineering being the opposite of aroundfuckery because it plans, observes and documents.

          Modern AI tools are stuck in the observation phase, I guess?

          @mjd

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          #44
          @phooky @mjd @manu By that I assume you mean they are the observed, not the observer.
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          • rndanger@infosec.exchangeR rndanger@infosec.exchange

            @d6 @mjd
            Mess with the bel, get the horn

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            #45
            @RnDanger @mjd @d6 ack
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            • lori@cambrian.socialL lori@cambrian.social
              @phooky @mjd @manu By that I assume you mean they are the observed, not the observer.
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              #46

              @lori

              Yes

              @phooky @mjd

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              • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

                A COMPUTER CANNOT FIND OUT

                THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO FUCK AROUND

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                #47

                @mjd
                #FAFNO?
                Fuck Around, Find Not Out.
                #FAFO

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                • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

                  @kkarhan Yes, that is what I was alluding to.

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                  #48

                  @mjd @kkarhan We don't give IBM enough credit these days.

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                  • heliomass@cosocial.caH heliomass@cosocial.ca

                    @mjd @kkarhan We don't give IBM enough credit these days.

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                    #49

                    @heliomass @mjd sadoy #IBM quietly dropped that in their #AI - laced #Enshittification craze…

                    https://c.im/@kkarhan/116501367220659435

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                    • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

                      A COMPUTER CANNOT FIND OUT

                      THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO FUCK AROUND

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                      #50

                      @mjd The computer can neither fuck around, nor find out. Thus it is the operator who does the fuckign aroudnd. And we must ensure that the operator finds out quite deeply and with great pain.

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                      • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

                        A COMPUTER CANNOT FIND OUT

                        THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO FUCK AROUND

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                        #51

                        @mjd@mathstodon.xyz In order for our computers to be able to fuck around, we've invented an ingenious new way to give them a detailed understanding of finding out. We call it: the Torment Nexus

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                        • mjd@mathstodon.xyzM mjd@mathstodon.xyz

                          A COMPUTER CANNOT FIND OUT

                          THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO FUCK AROUND

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                          #52

                          @mjd Oh come on, sure it can, as long as you set up a workflow to recursively train on the...hey what are you doing with that prybar? Can I help you wi

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