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  3. We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

    RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116311624371729823

    We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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    @cstross

    “You have to bring him down with ridicule … It’s been one of my lifelong jobs – to make the world laugh at Adolf Hitler.”
    Mel Brooks

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    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

      RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116311624371729823

      We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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      @cstross https://youtu.be/XeI2xCdWKJ0

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      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

        RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116311624371729823

        We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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        @cstross in the Biden presidency some started to call him TFG / the former guy / that fucking guy, but it's hard to keep it up with his return in power.

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        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

          RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116311624371729823

          We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

          allpoints@mstdn.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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          @cstross agreed, but could we start with the French custom of guillotine?

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          • xs4me2@mastodon.socialX xs4me2@mastodon.social

            @cstross

            This is what actually should happen indeed, was only yesterday discussing this when the example of Akhenaton in ancient Egypt came to my mind…
            Erased from all official records…

            @Remittancegirl

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            @xs4me2 @cstross @Remittancegirl

            Imperial China's version of this was "Nine Generations".

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            The six dynasties bankrolling Project 2025 should keep this in mind.
            https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/28/project-2025-heritage-foundation-hack

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            Project 2025 Offers Dystopian View of America

            The ACLU is fighting back against this extremist proposal by the Heritage Foundation.

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            Bradley, Koch, Coors, Scaife Mellon, Seid, Uihlein

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            6 Billionaire Fortunes Bankrolling Project 2025

            More than $120 million from a few ultra-wealthy families who have spent years working to promote climate change denial has powered the Heritage Foundation and other groups that created the plan to remake American government.

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            Mapped: How 6 Billionaire Family Fortunes Fund Project 2025

            Unraveling a $130 million web of climate denial, political extremism, and Trump campaign ties.

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            • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

              RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116311624371729823

              We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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              @cstross Per Wikipedia on the formal Degradation of members of the Order of the Garter - they read aloud the order, removed the former Knight's banner, crest, helm, and sword, and kicked the former member out of the chapel and into the castle ditch. The last such formal degradation was in 1716, but recent the Andrew formerly known as Prince as struck off the rolls.

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              • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116311624371729823

                We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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                @cstross @Remittancegirl

                Santayana has entered the chat…

                ​“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana, The Life of Reason, 1905

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                • dhmspector@mastodon.socialD dhmspector@mastodon.social

                  @cstross @Remittancegirl

                  Santayana has entered the chat…

                  ​“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana, The Life of Reason, 1905

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                  @Dhmspector Even those who can remember the past are often still condemned to repeat it (paraphrasing Freud) @cstross

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                  • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

                    @Dhmspector Even those who can remember the past are often still condemned to repeat it (paraphrasing Freud) @cstross

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                    @Remittancegirl @cstross

                    Sadly true.

                    … and for still others, it seems repeating the past is their whole goal. (See Trump and fascism)

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                    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                      RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116311624371729823

                      We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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                      @cstross
                      Even the Kennedys weren't omnipresent.

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                      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                        RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116311624371729823

                        We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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                        @cstross Been saying this for years. Damnatio memoriae, and also exile. Preferably to a space capsule orbiting a black hole.

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                        • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

                          @cstross it’s gonna be hard, with his minted coins and his signature of currency bills. But I sister has a mortal fear of being erased

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                          @Remittancegirl
                          I think the Federal Reserve Notes will be removed from circulation through unofficial means. MAGA will keep some as mementos, and I graffiti will appear on them, so the notes will eventually need to be retired.
                          @cstross

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                          • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                            RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116311624371729823

                            We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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                            @cstross disagree. The record must accurately reflect events, good and bad. Removing facts amounts to censorship.

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                            • satchmo35@mas.toS satchmo35@mas.to

                              @cstross disagree. The record must accurately reflect events, good and bad. Removing facts amounts to censorship.

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                              @satchmo35 @cstross

                              Agreed. It's nice to think no one will remember the bad people/things, but that's just allowing history to repeat.

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                              • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116311624371729823

                                We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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                                @cstross The number of places still bearing his name in a decade will be a barometer of public safety.

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                                • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                  RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116311624371729823

                                  We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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                                  @cstross

                                  Nah. I want to shame these MAGA bastards forever with what they've done to this country.

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                                  • octows@mastodon.socialO octows@mastodon.social

                                    @cstross @pluralistic @Remittancegirl I look forward to a future in which the only mention of Trump's name in the media comes in the form of headlines that say "Donald Trump still dead”.

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                                    @octows @cstross @pluralistic @Remittancegirl

                                    SNL Generalissimo Francisco Franco style...

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                                    • allpoints@mstdn.socialA allpoints@mstdn.social

                                      @cstross agreed, but could we start with the French custom of guillotine?

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                                      @allpoints Yup!

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                                      • weekend_editor@mathstodon.xyzW weekend_editor@mathstodon.xyz

                                        @cstross

                                        Didn't work for Herostartus (burned the Artemision) or Akhenaten (tried monotheism in Egypt), or... well, lots of examples.

                                        @davidbrin has periodically suggested, instead of suppressing their names, we legally force a name change to an embarrassing obscenity & require its use in public. (Real name can be in a footnote, but only one time per publication, with limits on type size.)

                                        Just *imagine* the contest to propose a new name for Trump.

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                                        @weekend_editor @cstross @davidbrin

                                        Santorum...

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                                        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                          RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116311624371729823

                                          We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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                                          @cstross I've often thought that people with the same name as disgraced politicians (anyone else called "Liz Truss", for instance) should have the fee for a deed poll waived by the government. Their very name has been made a liability through no fault of their own.

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