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  3. We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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  • nonya_bidniss@infosec.exchangeN nonya_bidniss@infosec.exchange

    @drewtowler @cstross I'm afraid I agree on this, we can never forget this. But now while we're boiling in the soup I do understand M. Morris' feeling.

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    passwordsarehard4@mastodon.social
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    @Nonya_Bidniss @drewtowler @cstross strike his name and replace it with The Mistake. Let that be his legacy

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    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

      RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116311624371729823

      We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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      #18

      @cstross
      Sounds like a common practice of fascist rulers.

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      • rootwyrm@weird.autosR rootwyrm@weird.autos

        @cstross I'd also point out the Memory Hole, but with LLMs issuing bans of 1984, that's just way too fucking on the nose.

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        #19

        @rootwyrm @cstross
        LLMs are banning "1984"‽ Tell us more! This is the first I've heard of it.

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        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

          RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116311624371729823

          We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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          #20

          @cstross this plus corruption of blood. Under the current constitution, you'll need an amendment to institute that. I think it would send the right message.

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          • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

            RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116311624371729823

            We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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            #21

            @cstross One of the saddest parts of cyclic behavior is, something worse arising 'next time around'.

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            • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

              RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116311624371729823

              We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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              #22

              @cstross
              I think this case falls squarely in the "never forget, never repeat" of last-century Germany

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              • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116311624371729823

                We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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                #23

                @cstross @pluralistic @Remittancegirl I look forward to a future in which the only mention of Trump's name in the media comes in the form of headlines that say "Donald Trump still dead”.

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                • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                  RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116311624371729823

                  We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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                  #24

                  @cstross

                  This is what actually should happen indeed, was only yesterday discussing this when the example of Akhenaton in ancient Egypt came to my mind…
                  Erased from all official records…

                  @Remittancegirl

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                  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                    RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116311624371729823

                    We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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                    #25

                    @cstross one day, the first 600 years of turtle island's history after colonization will be known rightly as the warring period. Individual leader names will forgotten, as spans of time are grouped instead by man-made disasters and the aftermath- until the first stable period when the people no longer cede control of their day to day lives to the Moocher class. the warring period will be a short, violent chapter, in relation to the long story of Humanity.

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                    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                      RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116311624371729823

                      We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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                      #26

                      @cstross

                      “You have to bring him down with ridicule … It’s been one of my lifelong jobs – to make the world laugh at Adolf Hitler.”
                      Mel Brooks

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                      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                        RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116311624371729823

                        We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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                        #27

                        @cstross https://youtu.be/XeI2xCdWKJ0

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                        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                          RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116311624371729823

                          We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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                          @cstross in the Biden presidency some started to call him TFG / the former guy / that fucking guy, but it's hard to keep it up with his return in power.

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                          • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                            RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116311624371729823

                            We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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                            #29

                            @cstross agreed, but could we start with the French custom of guillotine?

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                            • xs4me2@mastodon.socialX xs4me2@mastodon.social

                              @cstross

                              This is what actually should happen indeed, was only yesterday discussing this when the example of Akhenaton in ancient Egypt came to my mind…
                              Erased from all official records…

                              @Remittancegirl

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                              @xs4me2 @cstross @Remittancegirl

                              Imperial China's version of this was "Nine Generations".

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                              The six dynasties bankrolling Project 2025 should keep this in mind.
                              https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/28/project-2025-heritage-foundation-hack

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                              Project 2025 Offers Dystopian View of America

                              The ACLU is fighting back against this extremist proposal by the Heritage Foundation.

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                              Bradley, Koch, Coors, Scaife Mellon, Seid, Uihlein

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                              6 Billionaire Fortunes Bankrolling Project 2025

                              More than $120 million from a few ultra-wealthy families who have spent years working to promote climate change denial has powered the Heritage Foundation and other groups that created the plan to remake American government.

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                              DeSmog (www.desmog.com)

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                              Mapped: How 6 Billionaire Family Fortunes Fund Project 2025

                              Unraveling a $130 million web of climate denial, political extremism, and Trump campaign ties.

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                              • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116311624371729823

                                We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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                                @cstross Per Wikipedia on the formal Degradation of members of the Order of the Garter - they read aloud the order, removed the former Knight's banner, crest, helm, and sword, and kicked the former member out of the chapel and into the castle ditch. The last such formal degradation was in 1716, but recent the Andrew formerly known as Prince as struck off the rolls.

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                                • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                  RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116311624371729823

                                  We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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                                  @cstross @Remittancegirl

                                  Santayana has entered the chat…

                                  ​“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana, The Life of Reason, 1905

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                                  • dhmspector@mastodon.socialD dhmspector@mastodon.social

                                    @cstross @Remittancegirl

                                    Santayana has entered the chat…

                                    ​“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana, The Life of Reason, 1905

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                                    @Dhmspector Even those who can remember the past are often still condemned to repeat it (paraphrasing Freud) @cstross

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                                    • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

                                      @Dhmspector Even those who can remember the past are often still condemned to repeat it (paraphrasing Freud) @cstross

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                                      @Remittancegirl @cstross

                                      Sadly true.

                                      … and for still others, it seems repeating the past is their whole goal. (See Trump and fascism)

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                                      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                        RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116311624371729823

                                        We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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                                        @cstross
                                        Even the Kennedys weren't omnipresent.

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                                        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                          RE: https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl/116311624371729823

                                          We REALLY need to reintroduce the Roman custom of Damnatio Memoriae—"damnation of memory", excision of a name and person from the written record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

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                                          @cstross Been saying this for years. Damnatio memoriae, and also exile. Preferably to a space capsule orbiting a black hole.

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