the question you should be asking yourself is not “what's the best way to verify the age of every single computer user on earth”

[khm@hj.9fs.net]

This take completely misses the fact that

A developer shall request a signal with respect to a particular user from an operating system provider or a covered application store when the application is downloaded and launched.

It doesn't require kernel changes, merely changes to every single user-facing application in a distro

[abmurrow@hachyderm.io]

@nileane That's a very reasonable technical solution to an otherwise unreasonable law that kids will be able to squirm their way out of in like, a week, tops.

You're right, why are we even having this discussion? It's propaganda designed to force the conversation into a limited space to make it easier to defend in spite of its obvious flaws.

The law (conveniently) doesn't outline any technical requirements. Did someone with technical experience even review it? Was it just one reviewer? Did they have a conflict of interest? It looks like it is vague, open to iterpretation, and by all accounts, modest. Maybe even, at first glance, reasonable. Inoccuous.

This leaves it wide open to last minute revisions or a more dramatic interpretation. Persona wouldn't need to do much to outbid any other solution providers to make themselves the gold standard by going above and beyond what the law requires on paper. A future "clarifying" revision could go much much harder and essentially make that the case. A little lobbying pressure wouldn't be out of the imagination.

And I mean, that's the best case scenario. It's a vague, low effort way to get the door open and the powers it provides to lawmakers would be trivial to expand once there's a precedent.

It's a pass from me. Legislate better. Make the tech bros pay taxes first.

[drewpickard@mastodon.social]

@nileane
i do not need nor want this ‘tool for parents’
this is like face scans to see R rated movies
like, who cares. if they sneak in, OH WELL
NO ONE WANTS THIS

[donchacale@mastodon.social]

@nileane
i am amazed and saddened how resistant my friends are. addicted to google and amazon... smfh

[pandachronicle@ohai.social]

@dalias @nileane

The day I'm required to enter an ID to have access is the day I disappear from social media.

[riley@toot.cat]

@abmurrow

Riley S. Faelan (@riley@toot.cat)

And if one's reaction is "No, we can't ban sillionaires, we've got to ban kids — sillionaires are too powerful", then, well, you'll know what kind of bully one is.

Toot.Cat (toot.cat)

@nileane

[twelvemileroad@mastodon.social]

@nileane California Uber Alles

[batsify@pouet.chapril.org]

@nileane If the "why" is not obvious, this civilization must relive its history in order to learn again.

When I see how authoritarian ideas, fascist movements, and the ease with which the media relay snippets of corruption without anyone batting an eye… I tell myself we're getting dangerously close to that point.

It's no longer naivety. It's pure and simple forgetfulness, and history never fails to remind us of that in such circumstances.

[batsify@pouet.chapril.org]

@nileane But getting back to age verification, one of the most obvious ways it can be used *today* is for...

Surprise! Targeted advertising, of course!

And Big Tech loves that.

[superdocteur@mamot.fr]

@PandaChronicle @nileane yeah right
It always worked (hope they implement Ctrl-Alt-X).

[oldfartrant@mstdn.ca]

@nileane pornography was available when I was a kid, I saw it and that's why I'm gay.

[wyldphyre@mastodon.world]

@nileane They likely wont stop at getting just this in place. Once that is there it's not much more work to say "now verify and enforce”.

[growfediverse@dillyofapickle.com]

@nileane I assume that the push for age verification is because the Orca Bait Class want to know where exactly all our children are so that they can find and harvest them for new Epstein Islands.

[skymtf@blahaj.zone]

@nileane@nileane.fr this bill is also a first step, eventually they will want you to send your ID to a state approved vendor.

[orangelantern@labyrinth.zone]

@nileane also, I hate how techbros seek for a technological solution to every human problem. Just care for your f-ing child, jfc. Stop delegating stuff to the computer just so you won’t be responsible for anything.

[etchedpixels@mastodon.social]

@nileane @david_chisnall 's statement is also wrong. The API exposes exact DoB for children if the API can be called daily as it would be for example with an app long installed on the device. On the day the value changes you know everything. In that sense the API is broken and a privacy fail.

Really it's about liability dumping. Social media companies want to do a cigarette company operation where their products are evil and addictive but it's magically okay as someone else checks you are 18.

[otolithe@mastodon.social]

@nileane @cstross @david_chisnall yeah I love that the “solution” to “ social networks are full of horrible stuff” is not to regulate social networks so that they don’t profit off shoving horrible stuff in everyone’s face, but to make sure only adults are exposed to that shit.

[k@chaos.social]

@nileane More importantly it seems that this would require users to have accounts, even on a home solo-use computer. And for what?

[claudius@darmstadt.social]

@nileane also this is the first step to getost users on board. After that. We're increasing the intensity slowly. Until it is live online verification via state-issued ID tied to whatever you want to do at the time every time.

[nuwagaba2@mastodon.social]

@nileane

Should those who depend on computers also stop complying?