the question you should be asking yourself is not “what's the best way to verify the age of every single computer user on earth”
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@PandaChronicle @nileane We have all three of these around and they've known since they were old enough to read that you lie when a computer asks for your age/birthdate.
The day I'm required to enter an ID to have access is the day I disappear from social media.
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@nileane That's a very reasonable technical solution to an otherwise unreasonable law that kids will be able to squirm their way out of in like, a week, tops.
You're right, why are we even having this discussion? It's propaganda designed to force the conversation into a limited space to make it easier to defend in spite of its obvious flaws.
The law (conveniently) doesn't outline any technical requirements. Did someone with technical experience even review it? Was it just one reviewer? Did they have a conflict of interest? It looks like it is vague, open to iterpretation, and by all accounts, modest. Maybe even, at first glance, reasonable. Inoccuous.
This leaves it wide open to last minute revisions or a more dramatic interpretation. Persona wouldn't need to do much to outbid any other solution providers to make themselves the gold standard by going above and beyond what the law requires on paper. A future "clarifying" revision could go much much harder and essentially make that the case. A little lobbying pressure wouldn't be out of the imagination.
And I mean, that's the best case scenario. It's a vague, low effort way to get the door open and the powers it provides to lawmakers would be trivial to expand once there's a precedent.
It's a pass from me. Legislate better. Make the tech bros pay taxes first.
Riley S. Faelan (@riley@toot.cat)
And if one's reaction is "No, we can't ban sillionaires, we've got to ban kids — sillionaires are too powerful", then, well, you'll know what kind of bully one is.
Toot.Cat (toot.cat)
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@david_chisnall/116160637051672728
the question you should be asking yourself is not “what's the best way to verify the age of every single computer user on earth”
but rather “why the fuck are we trying to verify the age of every single computer user on earth????”
and the answer to that is: fascism
stop. complying.@nileane California Uber Alles
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@david_chisnall/116160637051672728
the question you should be asking yourself is not “what's the best way to verify the age of every single computer user on earth”
but rather “why the fuck are we trying to verify the age of every single computer user on earth????”
and the answer to that is: fascism
stop. complying.@nileane If the "why" is not obvious, this civilization must relive its history in order to learn again.
When I see how authoritarian ideas, fascist movements, and the ease with which the media relay snippets of corruption without anyone batting an eye… I tell myself we're getting dangerously close to that point.
It's no longer naivety. It's pure and simple forgetfulness, and history never fails to remind us of that in such circumstances.
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@nileane If the "why" is not obvious, this civilization must relive its history in order to learn again.
When I see how authoritarian ideas, fascist movements, and the ease with which the media relay snippets of corruption without anyone batting an eye… I tell myself we're getting dangerously close to that point.
It's no longer naivety. It's pure and simple forgetfulness, and history never fails to remind us of that in such circumstances.
@nileane But getting back to age verification, one of the most obvious ways it can be used *today* is for...
Surprise! Targeted advertising, of course!
And Big Tech loves that.
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I think a simple photo quiz should do the trick.
Show pictures of:
A dial telephone with cord attached handset
A manual window crank
A manual can openerif you can identify 2 out of 3 accurately, you are old enough to use the internet/social media.
@PandaChronicle @nileane yeah right
It always worked (hope they implement Ctrl-Alt-X).
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@david_chisnall/116160637051672728
the question you should be asking yourself is not “what's the best way to verify the age of every single computer user on earth”
but rather “why the fuck are we trying to verify the age of every single computer user on earth????”
and the answer to that is: fascism
stop. complying.@nileane pornography was available when I was a kid, I saw it and that's why I'm gay.
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@david_chisnall/116160637051672728
the question you should be asking yourself is not “what's the best way to verify the age of every single computer user on earth”
but rather “why the fuck are we trying to verify the age of every single computer user on earth????”
and the answer to that is: fascism
stop. complying.@nileane They likely wont stop at getting just this in place. Once that is there it's not much more work to say "now verify and enforce”.
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@david_chisnall/116160637051672728
the question you should be asking yourself is not “what's the best way to verify the age of every single computer user on earth”
but rather “why the fuck are we trying to verify the age of every single computer user on earth????”
and the answer to that is: fascism
stop. complying.@nileane I assume that the push for age verification is because the Orca Bait Class want to know where exactly all our children are so that they can find and harvest them for new Epstein Islands. -
RE: https://infosec.exchange/@david_chisnall/116160637051672728
the question you should be asking yourself is not “what's the best way to verify the age of every single computer user on earth”
but rather “why the fuck are we trying to verify the age of every single computer user on earth????”
and the answer to that is: fascism
stop. complying.@nileane@nileane.fr this bill is also a first step, eventually they will want you to send your ID to a state approved vendor.
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@david_chisnall/116160637051672728
the question you should be asking yourself is not “what's the best way to verify the age of every single computer user on earth”
but rather “why the fuck are we trying to verify the age of every single computer user on earth????”
and the answer to that is: fascism
stop. complying.@nileane also, I hate how techbros seek for a technological solution to every human problem. Just care for your f-ing child, jfc. Stop delegating stuff to the computer just so you won’t be responsible for anything. -
RE: https://infosec.exchange/@david_chisnall/116160637051672728
the question you should be asking yourself is not “what's the best way to verify the age of every single computer user on earth”
but rather “why the fuck are we trying to verify the age of every single computer user on earth????”
and the answer to that is: fascism
stop. complying.@nileane @david_chisnall 's statement is also wrong. The API exposes exact DoB for children if the API can be called daily as it would be for example with an app long installed on the device. On the day the value changes you know everything. In that sense the API is broken and a privacy fail.
Really it's about liability dumping. Social media companies want to do a cigarette company operation where their products are evil and addictive but it's magically okay as someone else checks you are 18.
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@david_chisnall/116160637051672728
the question you should be asking yourself is not “what's the best way to verify the age of every single computer user on earth”
but rather “why the fuck are we trying to verify the age of every single computer user on earth????”
and the answer to that is: fascism
stop. complying.@nileane @cstross @david_chisnall yeah I love that the “solution” to “ social networks are full of horrible stuff” is not to regulate social networks so that they don’t profit off shoving horrible stuff in everyone’s face, but to make sure only adults are exposed to that shit.
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@david_chisnall/116160637051672728
the question you should be asking yourself is not “what's the best way to verify the age of every single computer user on earth”
but rather “why the fuck are we trying to verify the age of every single computer user on earth????”
and the answer to that is: fascism
stop. complying.@nileane More importantly it seems that this would require users to have accounts, even on a home solo-use computer. And for what?
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@david_chisnall/116160637051672728
the question you should be asking yourself is not “what's the best way to verify the age of every single computer user on earth”
but rather “why the fuck are we trying to verify the age of every single computer user on earth????”
and the answer to that is: fascism
stop. complying.@nileane also this is the first step to getost users on board. After that. We're increasing the intensity slowly. Until it is live online verification via state-issued ID tied to whatever you want to do at the time every time.
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@david_chisnall/116160637051672728
the question you should be asking yourself is not “what's the best way to verify the age of every single computer user on earth”
but rather “why the fuck are we trying to verify the age of every single computer user on earth????”
and the answer to that is: fascism
stop. complying.Should those who depend on computers also stop complying?
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@david_chisnall/116160637051672728
the question you should be asking yourself is not “what's the best way to verify the age of every single computer user on earth”
but rather “why the fuck are we trying to verify the age of every single computer user on earth????”
and the answer to that is: fascism
stop. complying.@nileane that made me think of a related idea, that the computer should be an agent for the user in the same way that a lawyer or doctor is supposed to act as an agent for the client/patient, even against the power of the state. Thinga like personal encryption facilitate that but identity tattling undermines it. If we really wanted a way to enforce standards for content moderation then having the content labelled so the user agent could filter based on the wishes of the user/owner makes more sense, for the web that could be a standard header in the response that a browser could filter, like the CW in Mastodon.
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@LukefromDC @nileane I hope you are fighting for this *hard* right now, because once legislation is in place, this fight will become almost impossible.
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@LukefromDC @nileane Yeah, that's just fine. You want privacy only for yourself.
I would much rather prefer privacy for everyone.
Dude, seriously, what the fuck? I get that you're smart. You can defy anything. Very cool indeed. I would much rather not have that kind of society in the first place.
