Framework listens to their audience so much that they send another pre-release laptop to DHH.
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@alatiera Anybody wanna give me TLDR about this DHH person??
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@FuturisticRobert @soapdog @alatiera Honestly at this point I believe Framework does want to market to fascists. I think they believe it is a viable market. That is why they continue to market themselves via DHH, purposefully including a ModRetro in their announce video yesterday, etc. They are signaling who they want to do business with, intentionally.
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@FuturisticRobert @soapdog @alatiera Honestly at this point I believe Framework does want to market to fascists. I think they believe it is a viable market. That is why they continue to market themselves via DHH, purposefully including a ModRetro in their announce video yesterday, etc. They are signaling who they want to do business with, intentionally.
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@FuturisticRobert @soapdog @alatiera Oh, gotcha!
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Framework listens to their audience so much that they send another pre-release laptop to DHH.
Enjoy the new Nazibook 13 pro.
Big Nazi Tent
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Framework listens to their audience so much that they send another pre-release laptop to DHH.
Enjoy the new Nazibook 13 pro.
@alatiera but they totally quietly backtracked right?? /s
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@komali_2 @Foxboron@chaos.social @soapdog @smilingdemon @alatiera I'm unaware of any other laptop brand repeatedly giving money to active fascists and nazis, even after it being called out, but you do you.
@reflex @soapdog @smilingdemon @alatiera
To clarify - are you interested in a conversation here, or do you want to vent your anger at me for being morally contaminated by association with framework?
I'm very open to the conversation. I'm an anarchist, my words are coming from a place of wanting better for people, and a position of anti fascism. I'm aware of manufacturers that do far worse than Framework.
If what instead you need is someone to vent at, I can also be that.
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@komali_2 @soapdog @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera i mean, I feel like there's a difference between the owner of a company and the people working on the company....
There's a sushi place nearby where I actively don't go to because the owner is a far-right guy@thibaultmol @soapdog @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera
Are you down to explore that further? That's the root of why I always push back on the whole "Framework funds fascism thing," which might be unexpected for an anti-fascist anarchist but here we are.
My reasoning basically comes down to, for example, Tim Cook gave a gold trophy to a fascist, but we generally don't accuse Mac owners of funding fascism. Why? A couple reasons, around moral betrayal and dispersed responsibility - cont
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@thibaultmol @soapdog @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera
Are you down to explore that further? That's the root of why I always push back on the whole "Framework funds fascism thing," which might be unexpected for an anti-fascist anarchist but here we are.
My reasoning basically comes down to, for example, Tim Cook gave a gold trophy to a fascist, but we generally don't accuse Mac owners of funding fascism. Why? A couple reasons, around moral betrayal and dispersed responsibility - cont
@thibaultmol @soapdog @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera
Default bad companies like apple, AWS etc get away with facilitating fascist regimes committing genocide, such as the IDF, even directly funding through discounts.
But we tend to hold "good" actors to higher standards - often impossible ones, with no path to rehabilitation.
Thus we put selective pressure against good actors and towards bad ones.
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@thibaultmol @soapdog @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera
Default bad companies like apple, AWS etc get away with facilitating fascist regimes committing genocide, such as the IDF, even directly funding through discounts.
But we tend to hold "good" actors to higher standards - often impossible ones, with no path to rehabilitation.
Thus we put selective pressure against good actors and towards bad ones.
@thibaultmol @soapdog @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera
AWS gets away with facilitating genocide and we still give them money to host our clients' apps because they're a structural necessity in capitalism. But we don't give grace to Framework for engaging in similar structural necessity decisions like reaching out to every Linux-minded, FOSS community it can get its hands on - and Omarchy is far from the only problematic one. Don't forget the kernel mailing list until recently was... yeesh
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@komali_2 @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera @soapdog this is only showing that right to repair is soluble in capitalism, ie not really progress. Progress is going against not just capitalism but all domination. If right to repair is a viable path for success inside capitalism, do you think that capitalism has reduced its grip ?
@rakoo @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera @soapdog
I'm 100% with you there. I want the dissolution of capitalism.
If I put my anarchism hat on, I say we shouldn't be facilitating any of these companies from funding any of the awful things they all do - just by existing they inherently engage in labor exploitation (unless they're a co-op).
I'm trying to find the path towards a Walkaway revolution. In the meantime I gotta eat. If you got any advice I'm all ears, I need more anarchist friends.
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@rakoo @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera @soapdog
I'm 100% with you there. I want the dissolution of capitalism.
If I put my anarchism hat on, I say we shouldn't be facilitating any of these companies from funding any of the awful things they all do - just by existing they inherently engage in labor exploitation (unless they're a co-op).
I'm trying to find the path towards a Walkaway revolution. In the meantime I gotta eat. If you got any advice I'm all ears, I need more anarchist friends.
@komali_2 @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera @soapdog At this point there's no need to buy new for x86. There's more than enough that was produced, the secondhand market is vibrant and suffices for all needs (if a current laptop is not enough in terms of performance, maybe the problem is the software and not the hardware).
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@komali_2 @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera @soapdog At this point there's no need to buy new for x86. There's more than enough that was produced, the secondhand market is vibrant and suffices for all needs (if a current laptop is not enough in terms of performance, maybe the problem is the software and not the hardware).
If money is to be put somewhere, it's probably in MNT.@rakoo @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera @soapdog
Based take, but I don't understand the MVT part - imo we have enough computers already to maintain a high QOL non capitalist society, but MVT is still trying to operate within the capitalist space, right? With their product development?
If they were just like the four thieves vinegar collective or something, just peeps releasing 3d print files on raspi computers, it'd make more sense to me.
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@rakoo @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera @soapdog
Based take, but I don't understand the MVT part - imo we have enough computers already to maintain a high QOL non capitalist society, but MVT is still trying to operate within the capitalist space, right? With their product development?
If they were just like the four thieves vinegar collective or something, just peeps releasing 3d print files on raspi computers, it'd make more sense to me.
@rakoo @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera @soapdog
Don't get me wrong, I love what they're doing, I just think of them as in the same space as framework but leveraging more open hardware and focusing more on hack ability, whereas framework is establishing manufacturing deals and at this point getting custom hardware made (their new display), basically trying to leverage economies of scale to make a capitalistically viable right to repair product line.
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@Foxboron @soapdog @komali_2 @smilingdemon @alatiera They gave 24,000€ to DHH's Ruby World. There is not attempt to be better on their part.
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@thibaultmol @soapdog @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera
AWS gets away with facilitating genocide and we still give them money to host our clients' apps because they're a structural necessity in capitalism. But we don't give grace to Framework for engaging in similar structural necessity decisions like reaching out to every Linux-minded, FOSS community it can get its hands on - and Omarchy is far from the only problematic one. Don't forget the kernel mailing list until recently was... yeesh
@komali_2 @thibaultmol @soapdog @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera One thing I'll point out, Trump, the IDF, are actual state actors.
DHH can't destroy your business, pissing of Trump or Israel is quite likely to cause huge damages.
(Until there's significant political change in the USA, Israel will keep being shielded from accountability by one of the world hegemonic power (though its hegemony may be on the decline). It is still a serious problem, and we should push back, but part of it also involves people in certain countries voting).
(And when it comes to Intel, it is worth noting that the best designs hit of the company came from their team in Haifa, afaik. (Modified Pentium M, Sandy Bridge, off the top of my head)).
But the point here is, Framework is not forced to give anything to DHH, unlike the big tech company donating to Trump.
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@rakoo @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera @soapdog
Don't get me wrong, I love what they're doing, I just think of them as in the same space as framework but leveraging more open hardware and focusing more on hack ability, whereas framework is establishing manufacturing deals and at this point getting custom hardware made (their new display), basically trying to leverage economies of scale to make a capitalistically viable right to repair product line.
@komali_2 @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera @soapdog yes, they're definitely in the same space, with nuances. One is pursuing high-end laptops, basically the same computers but repairable. The other trades performance for battery life. The ARM ecosystem is certainly not patents-free but has a chance to multiply players, and hopefully gives some chance to more open ones. It's going against the intel-amd duopoly. In my dreams an open risc v board is possible, but framework chasing high performance will never consider it. Also the team
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@komali_2 @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera @soapdog yes, they're definitely in the same space, with nuances. One is pursuing high-end laptops, basically the same computers but repairable. The other trades performance for battery life. The ARM ecosystem is certainly not patents-free but has a chance to multiply players, and hopefully gives some chance to more open ones. It's going against the intel-amd duopoly. In my dreams an open risc v board is possible, but framework chasing high performance will never consider it. Also the team
So basically, _if_ money is to be spent in a new computer then MNT is, to me, the better choice of the two@rakoo @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera @komali_2
well, when I was at the beginning of this thread. All I wanted was for Framework to stop platforming DHH.
No judgement of who buys framework. Really like the support they are giving to other distros and projects.
Just think it is icky that they platform DHH and apparently modretro which I am unaware of.
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@rakoo @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera @komali_2
well, when I was at the beginning of this thread. All I wanted was for Framework to stop platforming DHH.
No judgement of who buys framework. Really like the support they are giving to other distros and projects.
Just think it is icky that they platform DHH and apparently modretro which I am unaware of.
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@rakoo @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera @komali_2
DHH is someone with influence and power. There are other bad actors in foss, but DHH has the capacity to be harmful (cue the whole rails conf thing) and is actively campaigning racist and fascist views.
Hence why I want him into the bin and for Framework to stop supporting him. One does not tolerate nazis or they fester and grow.
