Framework listens to their audience so much that they send another pre-release laptop to DHH.
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@soapdog @alatiera they do send out to other distros, and given Ormachy wasn't on the list they said they had sent pre-relase laptops too. I therefore suspect they had intended for this to go under the radar which is even worse. Not only have they not actually listened, the lesson they seem to have learned is "just don't let people know". It's all so sad and frustrating and oh so easily avoidable by Framework.
@smilingdemon @soapdog @alatiera Damm I was hopeful when I didn't see it on the list.
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@soapdog @alatiera To be absolutely fucking clear, they are not oblivious. They are intentionally signalling the far right community. Omarchy is just a set of configs, no special hardware support required. It's a complete waste of resources to donate anything to DHH. Sending it to the Arch team would indirectly support Omarchy.
This is about making it clear who they support in general.
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@FuturisticRobert @soapdog @alatiera Omarchy is just a customized config of Arch. It requires no special support, if your hardware works with Arch it'll work with Omarchy. Sending DHH hardware to validate Omarchy is a non-sequitur.
They are using this as a way to market to the fascists and nazis he cultivates. Buying advertising on the far right more or less.
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@FuturisticRobert @soapdog @alatiera Omarchy is just a customized config of Arch. It requires no special support, if your hardware works with Arch it'll work with Omarchy. Sending DHH hardware to validate Omarchy is a non-sequitur.
They are using this as a way to market to the fascists and nazis he cultivates. Buying advertising on the far right more or less.
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Framework listens to their audience so much that they send another pre-release laptop to DHH.
Enjoy the new Nazibook 13 pro.
@alatiera Anybody wanna give me TLDR about this DHH person??
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@alatiera Anybody wanna give me TLDR about this DHH person??
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@FuturisticRobert @soapdog @alatiera Honestly at this point I believe Framework does want to market to fascists. I think they believe it is a viable market. That is why they continue to market themselves via DHH, purposefully including a ModRetro in their announce video yesterday, etc. They are signaling who they want to do business with, intentionally.
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@FuturisticRobert @soapdog @alatiera Honestly at this point I believe Framework does want to market to fascists. I think they believe it is a viable market. That is why they continue to market themselves via DHH, purposefully including a ModRetro in their announce video yesterday, etc. They are signaling who they want to do business with, intentionally.
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@FuturisticRobert @soapdog @alatiera Oh, gotcha!
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Framework listens to their audience so much that they send another pre-release laptop to DHH.
Enjoy the new Nazibook 13 pro.
Big Nazi Tent
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Framework listens to their audience so much that they send another pre-release laptop to DHH.
Enjoy the new Nazibook 13 pro.
@alatiera but they totally quietly backtracked right?? /s
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@komali_2 @Foxboron@chaos.social @soapdog @smilingdemon @alatiera I'm unaware of any other laptop brand repeatedly giving money to active fascists and nazis, even after it being called out, but you do you.
@reflex @soapdog @smilingdemon @alatiera
To clarify - are you interested in a conversation here, or do you want to vent your anger at me for being morally contaminated by association with framework?
I'm very open to the conversation. I'm an anarchist, my words are coming from a place of wanting better for people, and a position of anti fascism. I'm aware of manufacturers that do far worse than Framework.
If what instead you need is someone to vent at, I can also be that.
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@komali_2 @soapdog @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera i mean, I feel like there's a difference between the owner of a company and the people working on the company....
There's a sushi place nearby where I actively don't go to because the owner is a far-right guy@thibaultmol @soapdog @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera
Are you down to explore that further? That's the root of why I always push back on the whole "Framework funds fascism thing," which might be unexpected for an anti-fascist anarchist but here we are.
My reasoning basically comes down to, for example, Tim Cook gave a gold trophy to a fascist, but we generally don't accuse Mac owners of funding fascism. Why? A couple reasons, around moral betrayal and dispersed responsibility - cont
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@thibaultmol @soapdog @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera
Are you down to explore that further? That's the root of why I always push back on the whole "Framework funds fascism thing," which might be unexpected for an anti-fascist anarchist but here we are.
My reasoning basically comes down to, for example, Tim Cook gave a gold trophy to a fascist, but we generally don't accuse Mac owners of funding fascism. Why? A couple reasons, around moral betrayal and dispersed responsibility - cont
@thibaultmol @soapdog @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera
Default bad companies like apple, AWS etc get away with facilitating fascist regimes committing genocide, such as the IDF, even directly funding through discounts.
But we tend to hold "good" actors to higher standards - often impossible ones, with no path to rehabilitation.
Thus we put selective pressure against good actors and towards bad ones.
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@thibaultmol @soapdog @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera
Default bad companies like apple, AWS etc get away with facilitating fascist regimes committing genocide, such as the IDF, even directly funding through discounts.
But we tend to hold "good" actors to higher standards - often impossible ones, with no path to rehabilitation.
Thus we put selective pressure against good actors and towards bad ones.
@thibaultmol @soapdog @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera
AWS gets away with facilitating genocide and we still give them money to host our clients' apps because they're a structural necessity in capitalism. But we don't give grace to Framework for engaging in similar structural necessity decisions like reaching out to every Linux-minded, FOSS community it can get its hands on - and Omarchy is far from the only problematic one. Don't forget the kernel mailing list until recently was... yeesh
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@komali_2 @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera @soapdog this is only showing that right to repair is soluble in capitalism, ie not really progress. Progress is going against not just capitalism but all domination. If right to repair is a viable path for success inside capitalism, do you think that capitalism has reduced its grip ?
@rakoo @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera @soapdog
I'm 100% with you there. I want the dissolution of capitalism.
If I put my anarchism hat on, I say we shouldn't be facilitating any of these companies from funding any of the awful things they all do - just by existing they inherently engage in labor exploitation (unless they're a co-op).
I'm trying to find the path towards a Walkaway revolution. In the meantime I gotta eat. If you got any advice I'm all ears, I need more anarchist friends.
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@rakoo @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera @soapdog
I'm 100% with you there. I want the dissolution of capitalism.
If I put my anarchism hat on, I say we shouldn't be facilitating any of these companies from funding any of the awful things they all do - just by existing they inherently engage in labor exploitation (unless they're a co-op).
I'm trying to find the path towards a Walkaway revolution. In the meantime I gotta eat. If you got any advice I'm all ears, I need more anarchist friends.
@komali_2 @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera @soapdog At this point there's no need to buy new for x86. There's more than enough that was produced, the secondhand market is vibrant and suffices for all needs (if a current laptop is not enough in terms of performance, maybe the problem is the software and not the hardware).
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@komali_2 @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera @soapdog At this point there's no need to buy new for x86. There's more than enough that was produced, the secondhand market is vibrant and suffices for all needs (if a current laptop is not enough in terms of performance, maybe the problem is the software and not the hardware).
If money is to be put somewhere, it's probably in MNT.@rakoo @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera @soapdog
Based take, but I don't understand the MVT part - imo we have enough computers already to maintain a high QOL non capitalist society, but MVT is still trying to operate within the capitalist space, right? With their product development?
If they were just like the four thieves vinegar collective or something, just peeps releasing 3d print files on raspi computers, it'd make more sense to me.
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@rakoo @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera @soapdog
Based take, but I don't understand the MVT part - imo we have enough computers already to maintain a high QOL non capitalist society, but MVT is still trying to operate within the capitalist space, right? With their product development?
If they were just like the four thieves vinegar collective or something, just peeps releasing 3d print files on raspi computers, it'd make more sense to me.
@rakoo @Foxboron @smilingdemon @alatiera @soapdog
Don't get me wrong, I love what they're doing, I just think of them as in the same space as framework but leveraging more open hardware and focusing more on hack ability, whereas framework is establishing manufacturing deals and at this point getting custom hardware made (their new display), basically trying to leverage economies of scale to make a capitalistically viable right to repair product line.
