we got a team back to the moon, and still can't get teams or zoom to run correctly, and they're back on holy terra.

[viss@mastodon.social]

@da_667 their backhaul was fine. we were getting telemetry and fucking live highres video for 9 days of people who literally did a loop de loop around the moon.

then when they got out their nikons, and started machinegunning photos, they were able to then send those photos back to nasa via laser.

all that worked!
tcp was good, the link was good, 2500ms ping

but outlook didnt work.

meaning everything from "the moon" to "the groundstation" was 100% fine

[viss@mastodon.social]

@da_667 so that suggests they could like, spin up a box just for the mission. a vm even. wherever the downlink was, and just relay messages that way (hell, i use posfix relaying right now!) but instead some genius said "nono, lets have astronauts literally try to hit azure from space"

fuckin bonehead

[da_667@infosec.exchange]

@Viss THAT was a fucking miracle of science and absolutely amazing that it did work. We made TCP run on a laser link hundreds of thousands of miles into space.

[viss@mastodon.social]

@daedalus @da_667 i guess i should have been more specific

someone at nasa decided that microsoft was gonna be the MTA they were going to use.

someone at nasa paid microsoft money, thinking they could be depended upon.

that person was FUCKIN WRONG

[viss@mastodon.social]

@da_667 if there was a way for me to go work on that shit, i would close up shop at phobos overnight and run towards it.

that shit is so cool

[viss@mastodon.social]

@da_667 incidentally, this is how the proposed moon comms will work. similar to how starlink works now, itlll be radio from ground up to sats, then a lasergrid for redundancy, then lasers to the moon, where it'll be the same sorta deal in reverse, except i guess they havent decided yet if theyre gonna have satellites or just ground stations to catch lasers.

then i guess moon wifi.

[viss@mastodon.social]

@da_667 im suspecting moon wifi will work really fuckin great because theres no pesky air or rain to fuck with signal

[rickyboone@infosec.exchange]

@da_667 just be thankful they didn't have to worry about any printers onboard Orion

[onedawnconstant@climatejustice.social]

@da_667 It just so happens that software made to be as resource intensive and inefficient as possible while gathering as much sensitive information as possible is goddamn terrible at doing anything useful.

There is a point where even the most brainwashed users and sysadmins are going to realize the software they are using has no utility, and that they are the guinea pig generating data for whatever nefarious fuckery the techbros cooked up.

[paul_ipv6@infosec.exchange]

@Viss @da_667

no microwaves or wireless phones either. at least, not yet.

[viss@mastodon.social]

@jpm @da_667 email used to work over dialup. 2.5 second ping times were solved in the 90s

latency is not the problem here

[darkuncle@infosec.exchange]

@da_667 @Viss we clocked 260+ Mbps from an asteroid out beyond *Mars* a couple years ago

Laser comms and delay tolerant networking are awesome and this whole thread has been 🤌

[g33katwork@infosec.exchange]

@Viss @jpm @da_667 Eeehhh... Only if you configure your servers correctly!
https://web.mit.edu/jemorris/humor/500-miles

[darkuncle@infosec.exchange]

@Viss @da_667 join IPNSIG, Internet Society chapter that works on this stuff all the time. (To get paid for it you’d have to have a day job or work at JPL or something though)

[viss@mastodon.social]

@jpm @da_667 i guess a better way of saying it is:

it doesnt matter if the astronauts were INSIDE THE AZURE DATACENTER - they would have had the same problems.

because the problems had nothing to do with the lasers, groundstations, tranceivers, or protocol (tcp in this case).

the problem squarely rests at the feet of microsoft, azure, and "exchange".

the mistake was selecting microsoft to be the vendor to handle comms

[darkuncle@infosec.exchange]

@paul_ipv6 @Viss @da_667 moon cellular not WiFi; Nokia did a 4G tower test on the moon with Intuitive Machines to provide connectivity for robotic rovers.

[paul_ipv6@infosec.exchange]

@darkuncle @Viss @da_667

"sign up for 2 years on the moon and we'll knock 40% off your recurring fees"

[darkuncle@infosec.exchange]

@paul_ipv6 @Viss @da_667 I did a whole talk on this at Cloudflare Connect last fall; even people in tech don’t realize how much is going on up there.

[da_667@infosec.exchange]

@lispi314 fuck. foiled again.

[paul_ipv6@infosec.exchange]

@darkuncle @Viss @da_667

"we see that you've been taking samples of the surface of mars. here are some reusable containers for your samples"

"we see that you've purchased a lunar orbit module. would you like to set up a monthly subscription for more lunar orbit modules?"