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I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.

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  • solitha@mastodon.socialS solitha@mastodon.social

    @connynasch @jbowen @randahl IMO we shouldn't even *want* things to be as they were before. The way they were before led us to now.

    That is the curse of the "white moderate" MLK Jr wrote about.

    We need to build something better.

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    @solitha @connynasch @randahl
    Agreed on all points. It's what I hear mostly from moderates who are tuned out of the news. They think they can just keep their head in the sand for his second term like they did for his first and that things will look familiar when then pop back up again.

    I've gone hoarse from trying to convince people that *if* there's a will to make real changes for the better, it will take at least two generations to recover from what is being done now.

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    • xs4me2@mastodon.socialX xs4me2@mastodon.social

      @connynasch

      Self-inflicted damage, how a nation of immigrants took a 180 turn and became anti foreigner and a nation of unfreedom based on a few ultrarich that want control to protect their horded capital. It is the endgame of neoliberal capitalism it seems, winner takes all...

      With a grifting populist megalomaniac serial liar in charge...

      Unbelievable...

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      @xs4me2 I have the luxury to belong to a population that is very comfortable, we have free public transport, which is clean and generally on time, nearly free healthcare and a superb environment regularly cleaned. Plus a jobless support which many would take as a salary (it is regularly updated so that one can live correctly). That makes for a almost crime-free environment. Me, born in Germany, grew up in South Africa, now a proud and very happy Luxemburger. Our premier - commercial head 😁

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      • connynasch@mastodon.socialC connynasch@mastodon.social

        @xs4me2 I have the luxury to belong to a population that is very comfortable, we have free public transport, which is clean and generally on time, nearly free healthcare and a superb environment regularly cleaned. Plus a jobless support which many would take as a salary (it is regularly updated so that one can live correctly). That makes for a almost crime-free environment. Me, born in Germany, grew up in South Africa, now a proud and very happy Luxemburger. Our premier - commercial head 😁

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        @connynasch

        Practically neighbours! In the Netherlands here and in here in Western Europe we can praise ourselves very, very lucky with the freedom, freedom of speech, healthcare and luxury we are enjoying.

        But it pains me a lot of what I am seeing in unfreedom and lies in the USA with a dictator in charge and in the death and killing going on in the Middle East... and then we have Ukraine and the cruel war Putin is waging on innocent people...

        Make it stop please....

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        • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

          I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.

          While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.

          Welcome to the Trump economy.

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          @randahl

          Believe me, some of us do. And did before he was elected.

          The problem was explaining why to people who don't have enough grounding in history, politics, and economics to understand the arguments. You lose them as soon as you say, "Well, let's start in ancient Athens when they invented democracy and then accidentally invented populism and tyrants…"

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          • jbowen@mast.hpc.socialJ jbowen@mast.hpc.social

            @randahl
            Good, and I hope others follow their example. People need to realize that actions have real long-term consequences. So many people think that if we (I'm an American) elect a Democrat in the next election (assuming there is one), things will "go back to normal." What's been happening is not normal and it would be very unwise for other countries to rely on the stability of the US when we've demonstrated such a willingness to blow everything up.

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            @jbowen @randahl@mastodon.social

            the problem is that it is normal but white liberals didn't care until it affected them personally. they would like to "go back" to things not affecting them personally. that is the definition of reactionary.

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            • jbowen@mast.hpc.socialJ jbowen@mast.hpc.social

              @solitha @connynasch @randahl
              Agreed on all points. It's what I hear mostly from moderates who are tuned out of the news. They think they can just keep their head in the sand for his second term like they did for his first and that things will look familiar when then pop back up again.

              I've gone hoarse from trying to convince people that *if* there's a will to make real changes for the better, it will take at least two generations to recover from what is being done now.

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              @jbowen @solitha@mastodon.social @connynasch@mastodon.social @randahl@mastodon.social

              someone very important once wrote a letter from a jail in Alabama, about the threat of the white "moderate". perhaps you've heard of him?

              Letter from Birmingham Jail, by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

              Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s letter to 8 white church leaders, written from a jail cell in Birmingham, Alabama in 1963.

              favicon

              (letterfromjail.com)

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              • paladin@mastodon.nuP paladin@mastodon.nu

                @Nigel_Lake @randahl I work excluding with Microsoft software. Our customers are heavily invested with Microsoft. It will be much work and take long time.

                I would say that the mood is worried. The trust is gone.

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                @Paladin @Nigel_Lake @randahl

                The first step is requiring documents to be stored in ODF (Open Document Format).

                Then it will easier later to change the software.

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                • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                  I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.

                  While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.

                  Welcome to the Trump economy.

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                  @randahl I think we're going to involuntarily North Korea ourselves with this strategy.

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                  • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                    I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.

                    While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.

                    Welcome to the Trump economy.

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                    @randahl 👍

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                    • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                      I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.

                      While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.

                      Welcome to the Trump economy.

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                      @randahl Unfortunately, too many Americans have been drugged with the toxic brew of #AmericanExceptionalism and don't really grasp that our actions have consequences.

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                      • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                        I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.

                        While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.

                        Welcome to the Trump economy.

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                        @randahl fantastic news. Hopefully the rest of the EU will follow suit.

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                        • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                          I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.

                          While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.

                          Welcome to the Trump economy.

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                          @randahl sadly can't sign as I'm not a danish citizen yet. You need to be able to vote to sign. But keep spreading the word!

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                          • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                            I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.

                            While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.

                            Welcome to the Trump economy.

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                            @randahl idk some of us trans ones have had to move more than 1x a year for the last 15 years to find a safe place to live and now the "safe" places are also terrifying (but they were never safe to begin with, either) but lots of people like to be like "haha dumb Americans" as if a bunch of us aren't trapped in situations that we're dyin' or suffering in. No health insurance, no medicine, no money, no homes, no food... tired and living w/ vermin but no we don't realize how bad it can get.

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                            • griefofpride@mastoart.socialG griefofpride@mastoart.social

                              @randahl idk some of us trans ones have had to move more than 1x a year for the last 15 years to find a safe place to live and now the "safe" places are also terrifying (but they were never safe to begin with, either) but lots of people like to be like "haha dumb Americans" as if a bunch of us aren't trapped in situations that we're dyin' or suffering in. No health insurance, no medicine, no money, no homes, no food... tired and living w/ vermin but no we don't realize how bad it can get.

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                              @randahl no family, no support, strangers who use our situations to further their own social gain and who do nothing to help the people they "fight for" - Dunno. It all feels a little "clout chasey" when you're just online making sweeping generalizations about millions of people but who am I to make such a claim? Not like any other countries leaders had anything to do with this or Epstein or anything.

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                              • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.

                                While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.

                                Welcome to the Trump economy.

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                                @randahl https://mastodon.social/@hvanleeuwen/116311748816975025

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                                • paulschoe@mastodon.worldP paulschoe@mastodon.world

                                  @Paladin @Nigel_Lake @randahl

                                  The first step is requiring documents to be stored in ODF (Open Document Format).

                                  Then it will easier later to change the software.

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                                  @paulschoe @Nigel_Lake @randahl Harder to change from using an agent to help me with code in Visual Studio Code having plugins to Azure and Claude Coude.

                                  Replacing all the services in Azure will take so much time.

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                                  • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                    I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.

                                    While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.

                                    Welcome to the Trump economy.

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                                    @randahl Stop using #microsoft including all software and services from them. Stop using #instagram Stop using #facebook Stop using #x Stop using #amazon Stop using #aws Stop using #whatsapp
                                    STOP!

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                                    • apnoe_soeren@mastodon.socialA apnoe_soeren@mastodon.social

                                      @randahl Stop using #microsoft including all software and services from them. Stop using #instagram Stop using #facebook Stop using #x Stop using #amazon Stop using #aws Stop using #whatsapp
                                      STOP!

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                                      @apnoe_soeren @randahl that is so unrealistic

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                                      • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                        I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.

                                        While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.

                                        Welcome to the Trump economy.

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                                        @randahl
                                        Trump won by a slim margin. Fuck the electoral college. The rest of us know he is an abysmal failure at business.

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                                        • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                          I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.

                                          While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.

                                          Welcome to the Trump economy.

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                                          @randahl
                                          Hoppas Sverige följer Danmark i detta och gör samma.

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