I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.
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@swggrkllr3rd @randahl Oh those black shirts...
@Paladin OMF!
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@xs4me2 they will never recover, I hope their economy can withstand this immense stress, but I do doubt it.
Self-inflicted damage, how a nation of immigrants took a 180 turn and became anti foreigner and a nation of unfreedom based on a few ultrarich that want control to protect their horded capital. It is the endgame of neoliberal capitalism it seems, winner takes all...
With a grifting populist megalomaniac serial liar in charge...
Unbelievable...
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@Paladin @randahl It's really tough. Then again, if you run a business where data security matters - especially outside the USA - thrn this is a problem with which you must eventually grapple. It's easy to put in the 'too hard' basket - but at some point Microsoft could easily be required to disable software in a particular country...
[Added] Meanwhile, I see China began a fairly systematic effort to shift to different operating systems around five years ago...
@Nigel_Lake thank you for the Chinese info, I had not been aware of that, even though it is perfectly logical. They are on the way to becoming the next "soft power" replacing what the Mango Mussolini has destroyed.
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@randahl And we need to ensure that the pain is felt exclusively by billionaires, when the public does wake up.
They stole it all. They aren't entitled to any of it.
Take all of it. Leave them with nothing.
@dedicto @randahl no, way too many people were fine to watch neighbors disappear. We were content to watch as our brothers and sisters were murdered. We stood by as they imprisoned our grandparents. How can we watch this all and not be punished? They raped our children while we were paying them to protect us, and we gave them even more after we knew.
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@Lightfighter @xs4me2 @randahl I would say that the wakeup call has sounded and there is no going back to sleep.
Half the country voted for fascism several times. Their political and judicial system is deeply corrupt. Their ways will not change.
@Paladin @Lightfighter @randahl
I think the evil will come back to haunt and consume them...
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@connynasch @jbowen @randahl IMO we shouldn't even *want* things to be as they were before. The way they were before led us to now.
That is the curse of the "white moderate" MLK Jr wrote about.
We need to build something better.
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@Lightfighter Some of that may happen, with recent polls showing Independents growing to near twice the classic Democrat-Republican duopoly.
Also a considerable factor is more countries 'regressing to the mean', after accelerated globalization. Lacking an education revolution keeping more of the masses in sync with these swings, your synopsis of dragged-out mitigation, may be all that much more apropos.
There needs to be significant change indeed, but the capitalist ultrarich will try everything in their might to prevent this...
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@Paladin @Lightfighter @randahl
I think the evil will come back to haunt and consume them...
@xs4me2 @Lightfighter @randahl Soon enough they will only be able to do business with russia and a few more countries.
russia has the sameish GNP as Spain, the clown threatens to stop doing business with Spain. I am sure that the EU wouldn't take that lying down.
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@xs4me2 @Lightfighter @randahl Soon enough they will only be able to do business with russia and a few more countries.
russia has the sameish GNP as Spain, the clown threatens to stop doing business with Spain. I am sure that the EU wouldn't take that lying down.
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@connynasch @jbowen @randahl IMO we shouldn't even *want* things to be as they were before. The way they were before led us to now.
That is the curse of the "white moderate" MLK Jr wrote about.
We need to build something better.
@solitha @connynasch @randahl
Agreed on all points. It's what I hear mostly from moderates who are tuned out of the news. They think they can just keep their head in the sand for his second term like they did for his first and that things will look familiar when then pop back up again.I've gone hoarse from trying to convince people that *if* there's a will to make real changes for the better, it will take at least two generations to recover from what is being done now.
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Self-inflicted damage, how a nation of immigrants took a 180 turn and became anti foreigner and a nation of unfreedom based on a few ultrarich that want control to protect their horded capital. It is the endgame of neoliberal capitalism it seems, winner takes all...
With a grifting populist megalomaniac serial liar in charge...
Unbelievable...
@xs4me2 I have the luxury to belong to a population that is very comfortable, we have free public transport, which is clean and generally on time, nearly free healthcare and a superb environment regularly cleaned. Plus a jobless support which many would take as a salary (it is regularly updated so that one can live correctly). That makes for a almost crime-free environment. Me, born in Germany, grew up in South Africa, now a proud and very happy Luxemburger. Our premier - commercial head
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@xs4me2 I have the luxury to belong to a population that is very comfortable, we have free public transport, which is clean and generally on time, nearly free healthcare and a superb environment regularly cleaned. Plus a jobless support which many would take as a salary (it is regularly updated so that one can live correctly). That makes for a almost crime-free environment. Me, born in Germany, grew up in South Africa, now a proud and very happy Luxemburger. Our premier - commercial head
Practically neighbours! In the Netherlands here and in here in Western Europe we can praise ourselves very, very lucky with the freedom, freedom of speech, healthcare and luxury we are enjoying.
But it pains me a lot of what I am seeing in unfreedom and lies in the USA with a dictator in charge and in the death and killing going on in the Middle East... and then we have Ukraine and the cruel war Putin is waging on innocent people...
Make it stop please....
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I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.
While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.
Welcome to the Trump economy.
Believe me, some of us do. And did before he was elected.
The problem was explaining why to people who don't have enough grounding in history, politics, and economics to understand the arguments. You lose them as soon as you say, "Well, let's start in ancient Athens when they invented democracy and then accidentally invented populism and tyrants…"
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@randahl
Good, and I hope others follow their example. People need to realize that actions have real long-term consequences. So many people think that if we (I'm an American) elect a Democrat in the next election (assuming there is one), things will "go back to normal." What's been happening is not normal and it would be very unwise for other countries to rely on the stability of the US when we've demonstrated such a willingness to blow everything up.@jbowen @randahl@mastodon.social
the problem is that it is normal but white liberals didn't care until it affected them personally. they would like to "go back" to things not affecting them personally. that is the definition of reactionary.
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@solitha @connynasch @randahl
Agreed on all points. It's what I hear mostly from moderates who are tuned out of the news. They think they can just keep their head in the sand for his second term like they did for his first and that things will look familiar when then pop back up again.I've gone hoarse from trying to convince people that *if* there's a will to make real changes for the better, it will take at least two generations to recover from what is being done now.
@jbowen @solitha@mastodon.social @connynasch@mastodon.social @randahl@mastodon.social
someone very important once wrote a letter from a jail in Alabama, about the threat of the white "moderate". perhaps you've heard of him?
Letter from Birmingham Jail, by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s letter to 8 white church leaders, written from a jail cell in Birmingham, Alabama in 1963.
(letterfromjail.com)
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@Nigel_Lake @randahl I work excluding with Microsoft software. Our customers are heavily invested with Microsoft. It will be much work and take long time.
I would say that the mood is worried. The trust is gone.
The first step is requiring documents to be stored in ODF (Open Document Format).
Then it will easier later to change the software.
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I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.
While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.
Welcome to the Trump economy.
@randahl I think we're going to involuntarily North Korea ourselves with this strategy.
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I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.
While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.
Welcome to the Trump economy.
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I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.
While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.
Welcome to the Trump economy.
@randahl Unfortunately, too many Americans have been drugged with the toxic brew of #AmericanExceptionalism and don't really grasp that our actions have consequences.
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I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.
While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.
Welcome to the Trump economy.
@randahl fantastic news. Hopefully the rest of the EU will follow suit.
