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I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.

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  • lightfighter@infosec.exchangeL lightfighter@infosec.exchange

    @xs4me2 @randahl Unfortunately I don't think enough Americans understand that simply electing not-Trump, doesn't resolve the issue. Without prosecutions and structural changes, tyranny is only an election away. No country in their right mind is going to trust us until such actions are taken, and even then it will take quite a while to regain any semblance of international trust we had before.

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    @Lightfighter Some of that may happen, with recent polls showing Independents growing to near twice the classic Democrat-Republican duopoly.

    Also a considerable factor is more countries 'regressing to the mean', after accelerated globalization. Lacking an education revolution keeping more of the masses in sync with these swings, your synopsis of dragged-out mitigation, may be all that much more apropos.

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    • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

      I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.

      While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.

      Welcome to the Trump economy.

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      #26

      @randahl Uber-unwise to elect a pathologically egocentric criminal to run a powerful nation.

      An insanity to do so as much as it was insane to allow him to be a candidate.

      There are, it seems, no standards of the highest office - another insanity.

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      • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

        I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.

        While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.

        Welcome to the Trump economy.

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        @randahl

        #alttext

        Left side:
        Afskaf Palantir i Danmark
        ID: FT-22854
        LÆS OP
        -
        Borgerforslaget går på at afskaffe brugen af Palantir i offentlige institutioner i Danmark. Palantir er i anvendelse i bl.a. Politiets Pol-Intel.

        Right side:
        Startdato
        05. marts 2026
        Slutdato
        01. september 2026
        Antal støtter
        3.491
        Et samlet patient-journalsystem i Danmark, hvor data og milliarder af kroner ikke går til USA.
        ID: FT-23074
        LÆS OP

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        • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

          I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.

          While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.

          Welcome to the Trump economy.

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          @randahl

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          • swggrkllr3rd@mastodon.worldS swggrkllr3rd@mastodon.world

            @randahl Before UK can come back to EU, they ditch palantir. https://mastodon.world/@swggrkllr3rd/116017878026457262

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            @swggrkllr3rd @randahl
            And the Reform Party and the Conservative Party and the (New) Labour Party.

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            • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

              I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.

              While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.

              Welcome to the Trump economy.

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              @randahl I'm an American who realizes these things but I also never voted for him. I'm kind of stuck getting dragged into things the other Americans are dragging us more sane citizens into.

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              • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.

                While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.

                Welcome to the Trump economy.

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                #31

                @randahl I don't think anyone could have predicted the details, but many of us vaguely knew that being a dick the rest of the world would ultimately not go well for us. Now we're going to see that play out. Do what you must. It's the only way we will learn.

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                • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                  I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.

                  While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.

                  Welcome to the Trump economy.

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                  @randahl @BubblegumYeti they (“we”) don’t. I get so frustrated having to explain it to grown adults. It’s so obvious to me that I want to scream.

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                  • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                    I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.

                    While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.

                    Welcome to the Trump economy.

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                    #33

                    @randahl smart people, the Danes.

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                    • paladin@mastodon.nuP paladin@mastodon.nu

                      @Nigel_Lake @randahl I work excluding with Microsoft software. Our customers are heavily invested with Microsoft. It will be much work and take long time.

                      I would say that the mood is worried. The trust is gone.

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                      @Paladin @randahl It's really tough. Then again, if you run a business where data security matters - especially outside the USA - thrn this is a problem with which you must eventually grapple. It's easy to put in the 'too hard' basket - but at some point Microsoft could easily be required to disable software in a particular country...

                      [Added] Meanwhile, I see China began a fairly systematic effort to shift to different operating systems around five years ago...

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                      • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                        I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.

                        While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.

                        Welcome to the Trump economy.

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                        @randahl How I envy the Danish politics.

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                        • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                          I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.

                          While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.

                          Welcome to the Trump economy.

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                          @randahl
                          it is slightly like an advertisement.

                          in finland there is formal initiative going on.

                          https://mastodon.social/@digitaalinenitsenaisyys@mementomori.social
                          https://digitaalinenitsenaisyys.fi/
                          https://www.kansalaisaloite.fi/fi/aloite/16691

                          serious disclaimer: initiative has sponsors.

                          basically, it demands independence from foreign digital and technology services, mostly cloud services.

                          but those danish petitions sound good idea at this time.

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                          • lightfighter@infosec.exchangeL lightfighter@infosec.exchange

                            @xs4me2 @randahl Unfortunately I don't think enough Americans understand that simply electing not-Trump, doesn't resolve the issue. Without prosecutions and structural changes, tyranny is only an election away. No country in their right mind is going to trust us until such actions are taken, and even then it will take quite a while to regain any semblance of international trust we had before.

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                            @Lightfighter @xs4me2 @randahl I would say that the wakeup call has sounded and there is no going back to sleep.

                            Half the country voted for fascism several times. Their political and judicial system is deeply corrupt. Their ways will not change.

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                            • gailen@mastodon.socialG gailen@mastodon.social

                              @randahl I'm an American who realizes these things but I also never voted for him. I'm kind of stuck getting dragged into things the other Americans are dragging us more sane citizens into.

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                              @gailen I think no Europeans blame you, we see the massa protests, I know a lot of nice Americans, but we have to defend European values. @randahl

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                              • nigel_lake@mastodon.worldN nigel_lake@mastodon.world

                                @Paladin @randahl It's really tough. Then again, if you run a business where data security matters - especially outside the USA - thrn this is a problem with which you must eventually grapple. It's easy to put in the 'too hard' basket - but at some point Microsoft could easily be required to disable software in a particular country...

                                [Added] Meanwhile, I see China began a fairly systematic effort to shift to different operating systems around five years ago...

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                                @Nigel_Lake @randahl It is a matter of investments in the end. I have no doubt the change will come.

                                The orange idiot won't become sane any time soon.

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                                • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                  I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.

                                  While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.

                                  Welcome to the Trump economy.

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                                  @randahl That's the way to go!

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                                  • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                    I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.

                                    While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.

                                    Welcome to the Trump economy.

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                                    @randahl I truly believe it's a good idea. Right now, trump is showing the world that having millitary ties with the americans is leverage for them to exploit.

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                                    • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                      I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.

                                      While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.

                                      Welcome to the Trump economy.

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                                      #42

                                      @randahl
                                      Can you post a link to those?

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                                      • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                        I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.

                                        While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.

                                        Welcome to the Trump economy.

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                                        #43

                                        @randahl Avoiding the claws of vulture capitalists from the States is a vital measure if you can make it happen.

                                        The US 'health' system is a signature example of how depraved capitalism can get.

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                                        • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                          I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.

                                          While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.

                                          Welcome to the Trump economy.

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                                          @randahl and if you are Danish here are links to the petitions.
                                          https://borgerforslag.dk/se-og-stoet-forslag/?Id=FT-22854

                                          And
                                          https://www.borgerforslag.dk/se-og-stoet-forslag/?Id=FT-23074

                                          There are also petitions against buying F35

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