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The free world did not beat Adolf Hitler to let amateur Hitler take over America.

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  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

    @va3ekr @randahl

    more education would mean people realizing they need to vote

    is there a reason why you're downplaying voting? in an odd, false either/ or construct?

    in the usa, 1/3 are positively engaged, 1/3 are maga bigots, and 1/3 can't be bothered. maga are zombies, you can't do anything with them. so we have to focus on the that last 3rd

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    @benroyce

    @va3ekr @randahl

    Effective voting will help. Not some tilting-at-windmills "progressive" candidate who will probably lose in the general (but you'll feel good for your throwaway vote), but someone who can actually WIN. In NYC, that's Mamdani. In Montana, that's Steve Bullock.

    Strategic, effective voting, and, yes, more of it.

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    • tarheel@mstdn.ioT tarheel@mstdn.io

      @benroyce

      @va3ekr @randahl

      Effective voting will help. Not some tilting-at-windmills "progressive" candidate who will probably lose in the general (but you'll feel good for your throwaway vote), but someone who can actually WIN. In NYC, that's Mamdani. In Montana, that's Steve Bullock.

      Strategic, effective voting, and, yes, more of it.

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      @benroyce

      @va3ekr @randahl

      Although. I should ask: what kind of education were you envisioning?

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      • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

        The free world did not beat Adolf Hitler to let amateur Hitler take over America.

        Vote in November.

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        @randahl

        November seems a long ways off. I am worried what he will be doing to appease Xi this weekend when they meet. I believe Xi knows he has trump by the balls & he may ask (not so nicely) for Taiwan, and I think trump will say okay. You can take it & we won't fight it.

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        • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

          The free world did not beat Adolf Hitler to let amateur Hitler take over America.

          Vote in November.

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          @randahl Not sure the rest of the world can chance leaving this up to Americans anymore. After all, they voted for the guy twice already.

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            @mrose @randahl

            the votes are controlled by the states

            red states may cheat but they're already red

            what you're doing is called premature capitulation. it's a form of cowardice and weakness. merely because the malicious intend to do something, you act like they are already achieved it. weak

            and the worst part is your false belief convinces people not to vote, so the real steal is this: suppressing the vote with lying cynicism. your attitude as the real cause of MAGA potentially winning

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            • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

              The free world did not beat Adolf Hitler to let amateur Hitler take over America.

              Vote in November.

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              @randahl I think that take is quite simplifying. The free world in the sense of US politics certainly didn't beat Hitler, it wasn't about freedom from my point of view. The US helped one evil to win over another. The consequences of these actions can be seen in the present. But focusing purely on US politics it can be still helpful to look into the point of view that got to this point. What where the motivations of previous administrations for war and how did it led there.

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                @micchiato @mrose @randahl
                Never forgot whom the Nazis copied when implementing concentration camp's and even later parts of the shoa.
                I'm saying later parts here as the concentration camps was first to suppress resistance and condition society.

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                • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                  The free world did not beat Adolf Hitler to let amateur Hitler take over America.

                  Vote in November.

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                  @randahl

                  Why spreading nonsense messages making naive people believe WW II had to do with freedom of a free world?

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                  • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                    The free world did not beat Adolf Hitler to let amateur Hitler take over America.

                    Vote in November.

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                    @randahl #resist #vote We can imprison the corrupt criminals running things if all of us #dropsinthebucketaddup

                    Spread hope all you other commenters, not despair. He who is not gathering is scattering.

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                    • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                      The free world did not beat Adolf Hitler to let amateur Hitler take over America.

                      Vote in November.

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                      @randahl Americans Abroad VOTE !!

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                      • tarheel@mstdn.ioT tarheel@mstdn.io

                        @benroyce

                        @va3ekr @randahl

                        Although. I should ask: what kind of education were you envisioning?

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                        @tarheel @benroyce@mastodon.social @randahl not sure type of education, but imagine one where critical thinking was possible. Where voting for a charlatan criminal narcissist was less appealing. One where undermining one's own self interests was acceptable as long as those you hated were punished - this concept seemed absurd. One that learned from history

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                          @PhoenixWright @randahl

                          not everyone i dislike is hitler

                          some i dislike are mere weak loser trolls. who's only apparent desire in life is to lick hitler's boots. people like you

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                          • finche@nrw.socialF finche@nrw.social

                            @randahl

                            Why spreading nonsense messages making naive people believe WW II had to do with freedom of a free world?

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                            @finche @randahl

                            because it's not nonsense? you are aware what fascism is, right, tenured history professor?

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                              @Arapalla @randahl

                              the votes are controlled by the states, not the feds. red states may mess around but they are already red states

                              stop spreading defeatist lies that suppresses the turnout

                              the real effect of your cynicism is mindless negativity suppressing voter turnout, and *that* is what gets MAGA elected, rather than any tampering

                              and people don't revolt until they are hungry. that may be coming, but until then, we can stop it by voting

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                              • thaodan@mastodon.socialT thaodan@mastodon.social

                                @randahl I think that take is quite simplifying. The free world in the sense of US politics certainly didn't beat Hitler, it wasn't about freedom from my point of view. The US helped one evil to win over another. The consequences of these actions can be seen in the present. But focusing purely on US politics it can be still helpful to look into the point of view that got to this point. What where the motivations of previous administrations for war and how did it led there.

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                                @thaodan @randahl

                                i'll further simplify:

                                randahl's message is to fucking vote

                                to choose better

                                if we sustain that effort we eventually iterate to good

                                the real problem is this weak self-defeating mindless trap of "nothing changes, everything the same waah waah." people sitting there like lumps and by their inaction the world certainly goes worse

                                mental gymnastics trying to justify the lie it was always the same all the time

                                and doing nothing else

                                better. or worse

                                we must make the choice

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                                  @PhoenixWright @randahl

                                  now this is quality trolling

                                  you redirected the topic from your troll image, you ignored the content of it as it is (which is stupid). and you asserted the real topic is interpersonal nonsense between you and i alone

                                  that's also stupid, but more importantly it's *entertaining*

                                  which is the only value bottom feeders like yourself bring

                                  good job 👏👏👏

                                  i mean, no one's falling for it but at least it's a good laugh. thank you

                                  now get back to licking hitler's boots, troll

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                                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                    @thaodan @randahl

                                    i'll further simplify:

                                    randahl's message is to fucking vote

                                    to choose better

                                    if we sustain that effort we eventually iterate to good

                                    the real problem is this weak self-defeating mindless trap of "nothing changes, everything the same waah waah." people sitting there like lumps and by their inaction the world certainly goes worse

                                    mental gymnastics trying to justify the lie it was always the same all the time

                                    and doing nothing else

                                    better. or worse

                                    we must make the choice

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                                    @benroyce @thaodan @randahl I wish the conversation could go like:
                                    "has the world, your life in it, gotten better or worse over the last N years?"
                                    "OK, here's what the voting and election record looks like over that time. Does this follow with how you voted, or would have?"

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                                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                      @finche @randahl

                                      because it's not nonsense? you are aware what fascism is, right, tenured history professor?

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                                      @benroyce @randahl

                                      So you are thinking rude behaviour could replace serious thinking and arguing?

                                      What's the place you are stemming from, brute?

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                                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                        @thaodan @randahl

                                        i'll further simplify:

                                        randahl's message is to fucking vote

                                        to choose better

                                        if we sustain that effort we eventually iterate to good

                                        the real problem is this weak self-defeating mindless trap of "nothing changes, everything the same waah waah." people sitting there like lumps and by their inaction the world certainly goes worse

                                        mental gymnastics trying to justify the lie it was always the same all the time

                                        and doing nothing else

                                        better. or worse

                                        we must make the choice

                                        wingedsnake@mastodon.berlinW This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @benroyce @thaodan @randahl perfect!

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                                        • finche@nrw.socialF finche@nrw.social

                                          @benroyce @randahl

                                          So you are thinking rude behaviour could replace serious thinking and arguing?

                                          What's the place you are stemming from, brute?

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                                          @finche @randahl

                                          wwii was about freedom

                                          not in the sense that the west was beautiful perfect utopia, but in the sense that it was defeating outright fascism

                                          the garden variety cynical midwit thinks pointing out the west sucks in many ways, then and now, somehow removes that point. it doesn't. it just signifies they'e an unserious edgelord

                                          now make sure to complain about rudeness

                                          as if you don't deserve it

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