You are right resp. Europe leaving UA alone. For me it's a moral nightmare to see politicians proudly touting "Western values" and toetapping around decisive action from the beginning on (5000 helmets are my favourite).

In 2022 I was laughed at because I called for transforming economy into a war economy. Silly me thought that being the consequence of pursuing Western values.

I stood corrected:))

I find it much more worrying that EU today still has not entered the Ukraine war to stop Putin.

In 1940s few knew about Nazi death camps. Today, we all know about Putin's torture, child abductions, and war crimes.

@benroyce

Hitler had an ambition of enslaving peoples that were different from his own people. That is evil.

The allies had an ambition of freeing the countries Hitler occupied and replacing the violent, totalitarian regime with democracies and peace. That is good.

1970's Nixon/GOP aligned with the Fundamental Christians & began disassembling what had been the best affordable public school system in the world. (The push for god in school) The point is we had excellent education, they understood that is where the real damage needs to be done. We were going through so many changes no one really noticed. GOP was reacting to FDR's policies. We were also trying to expand what we had to all folks, never made it. Still a heavy lift.

and likewise, i wasn't disagreeing with you, i was merely riffing on your comment, using your comment as a starting point for a rumination

just conversation no antagonism

so you're using the fact that the usa delayed entry into wwii as a basis for your "everything the same waah waah" hilariously mindless shit?

listen to me galaxy brain:

the usa fucking sucks. then and now

but what was the west fighting? what did that entity represent?

do you understand the answer to that question and you think you're clever? or you're just so flabby brained you can't or won't tell the difference?

i'm sorry i called you a midwit, you're really a moron

if you're saying to vote, i have no problem with you. i embrace you

i simply ask you to not voice rationalizations that convince people not to vote

i'm not asking for airhead optimism. but i am asking for the abandonment of mindless cynicism

"Voting won't change the results"

stop saying shit like this. it's a lie

it leads to people not voting. and *that* is what gets us more of the same or worse more than any other factor

I don't blame you for believing in those facts you spread here. Many of us do and it makes those belonging to the good ones, which always is desirable.

So - please, tell me what you are thinking of the US standing by calmly as Hitler started to first annihilate Poland, then France partially whilst pounding UK cities?

See the problem?

wwii was about freedom

not in the sense that the west was beautiful perfect utopia, but in the sense that it was defeating outright fascism

the garden variety cynical midwit thinks pointing out the west sucks in many ways, then and now, somehow removes that point. it doesn't. it just signifies they'e an unserious edgelord

now make sure to complain about rudeness

as if you don't deserve it

So you are thinking rude behaviour could replace serious thinking and arguing?

What's the place you are stemming from, brute?

now this is quality trolling

you redirected the topic from your troll image, you ignored the content of it as it is (which is stupid). and you asserted the real topic is interpersonal nonsense between you and i alone

that's also stupid, but more importantly it's *entertaining*

which is the only value bottom feeders like yourself bring

good job

i mean, no one's falling for it but at least it's a good laugh. thank you

now get back to licking hitler's boots, troll

i'll further simplify:

randahl's message is to fucking vote

to choose better

if we sustain that effort we eventually iterate to good

the real problem is this weak self-defeating mindless trap of "nothing changes, everything the same waah waah." people sitting there like lumps and by their inaction the world certainly goes worse

mental gymnastics trying to justify the lie it was always the same all the time

and doing nothing else

better. or worse

we must make the choice

the votes are controlled by the states, not the feds. red states may mess around but they are already red states

stop spreading defeatist lies that suppresses the turnout

the real effect of your cynicism is mindless negativity suppressing voter turnout, and *that* is what gets MAGA elected, rather than any tampering

and people don't revolt until they are hungry. that may be coming, but until then, we can stop it by voting

because it's not nonsense? you are aware what fascism is, right, tenured history professor?

not everyone i dislike is hitler

some i dislike are mere weak loser trolls. who's only apparent desire in life is to lick hitler's boots. people like you