You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on.
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@jeridansky It's not possible to go through life unsullied. For me, Kagi rates as net-better-than-the-default. @mikeolson
@hakona To each their own. For me, using Kagi feels unethical. I do my best to avoid unethical choices. @mikeolson
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@hakona To each their own. For me, using Kagi feels unethical. I do my best to avoid unethical choices. @mikeolson
@jeridansky Which search-engine is 100% ethical? @mikeolson
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@mikeolson I was paying for Kagi, and I liked it a lot. But then it decided to partner with Brave, which has an odious CEO (a "famous homophobe" to quote one person) and refused to respond meaningfully to those of us upset by this. So I cancelled my subscription. Some discussion here:
https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/111707582903886811Kagi's also really into AI and I am definitely not.
@jeridansky @mikeolson Fuck. I was enjoying the service, but Brave is just enormous scam. Thanks for the link. I hate this.
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@jeridansky @mikeolson Fuck. I was enjoying the service, but Brave is just enormous scam. Thanks for the link. I hate this.
@0xtero You're welcome. And I hate it, too.
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You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on.
Google Search has been climbing the pile of enshittification for some years now. The new policy announced at I/O, to present search results from a bot that digests web content (and hallucinates) rather than to direct traffic to the sites that create and host content, is the latest large lump to appear.
Remember "Don't be evil?" Hah! Good days, good days.
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@mikeolson I finally switched the default search engine setting on the browsers on my desktop away from Google after decades of using Google.
(I guess we'll see how long Chrome actually respects that setting...)
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@jeridansky Which search-engine is 100% ethical? @mikeolson
@hakona @jeridansky @mikeolson I just started to use uruky.com - run by a small team with a decent philosophy. The search results aren't that amazing (personalisation seems to help a bit). But the simple signup (just account number) and user experience (no AI, no ads, just results) makes using it *feel* great
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@hakona @jeridansky @mikeolson I just started to use uruky.com - run by a small team with a decent philosophy. The search results aren't that amazing (personalisation seems to help a bit). But the simple signup (just account number) and user experience (no AI, no ads, just results) makes using it *feel* great
@findus I'm thinking getting actual results, that take me to actual websites is me doing my part to keep the web alive. @jeridansky @mikeolson
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@jeridansky Which search-engine is 100% ethical? @mikeolson
This is the wrong question. In my opinion, if someone points out a flaw, it is better to ask for a better/more ethical alternative and not for a flawless alternative.
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This is the wrong question. In my opinion, if someone points out a flaw, it is better to ask for a better/more ethical alternative and not for a flawless alternative.
@dexternemrod My point exactly. @jeridansky @mikeolson
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@dexternemrod My point exactly. @jeridansky @mikeolson
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@dexternemrod It is my way of saying that I will continue using Kagi until somebody shows me an engine, and a company that is unequivocally better ethically (must be functional, that's a pre.req).
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@dexternemrod It is my way of saying that I will continue using Kagi until somebody shows me an engine, and a company that is unequivocally better ethically (must be functional, that's a pre.req).
@dexternemrod I'm employing something called a "rhetorical question" . Check Wikipedia, please do *not* google it.
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@dexternemrod It is my way of saying that I will continue using Kagi until somebody shows me an engine, and a company that is unequivocally better ethically (must be functional, that's a pre.req).
Then I misunderstood you.
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@dexternemrod I'm employing something called a "rhetorical question" . Check Wikipedia, please do *not* google it.
We can now start a discussion to find out if this is really a rethorical question or not. But thank you for your attempt to educate me.
Just to have it said: I found an alternative for google that suits my needs and is ethical enough for me (not sure if it reaches 100%).
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You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on.
Google Search has been climbing the pile of enshittification for some years now. The new policy announced at I/O, to present search results from a bot that digests web content (and hallucinates) rather than to direct traffic to the sites that create and host content, is the latest large lump to appear.
Remember "Don't be evil?" Hah! Good days, good days.
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"Don't be evil" was never real, they have always been nothing but a dealer giving away their product to get people hooked--only to begin cutting it with poison.
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"Don't be evil" was never real, they have always been nothing but a dealer giving away their product to get people hooked--only to begin cutting it with poison.
@kitkat_blue @mikeolson It *might* have been real long ago, but the incontrovertible cutoff point was buying doubleclick and not burning it to the ground.
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You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on.
Google Search has been climbing the pile of enshittification for some years now. The new policy announced at I/O, to present search results from a bot that digests web content (and hallucinates) rather than to direct traffic to the sites that create and host content, is the latest large lump to appear.
Remember "Don't be evil?" Hah! Good days, good days.
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@mikeolson
A decentrilsed search engine. No AI, no tracking. No advertising. No javascript of any kind. Never pay for it. Anyone can setup their own "branch" and contribute. Why does this sound so much like the #Fediverse? I could use some help with the system I've building for over a year and with corporations selling us out, we can band together to take the internet back.
This is what the internet was BEFORE the corprite take over.
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@mikeolson I was paying for Kagi, and I liked it a lot. But then it decided to partner with Brave, which has an odious CEO (a "famous homophobe" to quote one person) and refused to respond meaningfully to those of us upset by this. So I cancelled my subscription. Some discussion here:
https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/111707582903886811Kagi's also really into AI and I am definitely not.
@jeridansky @mikeolson I agree this is important. I’ve found I can keep the AI away on Kagi but I am troubled by partnering with homophobes and also continuing to do business in Russia.
While “more ethical than Google” has been good enough for me so far, I would love to pay for a better alternative. What do you use?
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@jeridansky @mikeolson I agree this is important. I’ve found I can keep the AI away on Kagi but I am troubled by partnering with homophobes and also continuing to do business in Russia.
While “more ethical than Google” has been good enough for me so far, I would love to pay for a better alternative. What do you use?
@chazh For now I'm using https://noai.duckduckgo.com. I've seen others that I like but they sadly seem to be less comprehensive.
I would gladly pay for a good alternative that isn't as ethically troublesome as Kagi.
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@chazh For now I'm using https://noai.duckduckgo.com. I've seen others that I like but they sadly seem to be less comprehensive.
I would gladly pay for a good alternative that isn't as ethically troublesome as Kagi.
@jeridansky @mikeolson Mm. I haven’t been impressed with them in the past but I should give them another look.
I hate it though, Kagi’s actually good, if only they gave a damn about ethics I would have been recommending them everywhere.
Well perhaps the new google news will inspire some real competition in future years.
