<![CDATA[You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on.]]>You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on.

Google Search has been climbing the pile of enshittification for some years now. The new policy announced at I/O, to present search results from a bot that digests web content (and hallucinates) rather than to direct traffic to the sites that create and host content, is the latest large lump to appear.

Remember "Don't be evil?" Hah! Good days, good days.

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]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/topic/ca8521c5-8c2d-4055-a244-15be710ea9ba/you-re-probably-seeing-a-lot-of-messages-like-this-one-in-your-feed-today-but-it-s-important-to-me-to-pile-on.RSS for NodeMon, 25 May 2026 07:56:16 GMTWed, 20 May 2026 17:29:00 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on. on Wed, 20 May 2026 22:06:07 GMT]]>@jeridansky @chazh @mikeolson
I'm also on Duckduckgo, via Waterfox on the PC and their browser app on Android. I find their results good, you can tell their AI to go away and it stays gone (except on the Tor browser where each session needs it setting at the beginning).Only problem is they have no "-" keyword setting so can't exclude things.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/a_cubed/statuses/116609172583502076https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/a_cubed/statuses/116609172583502076Wed, 20 May 2026 22:06:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on. on Wed, 20 May 2026 21:19:34 GMT]]>@chazh I see that @parismarx is using Qwant; I'm going to give that one another look. https://disconnect.blog/google-is-its-own-worst-enemy/

@mikeolson

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sfba.social/users/jeridansky/statuses/116608989539204145https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sfba.social/users/jeridansky/statuses/116608989539204145Wed, 20 May 2026 21:19:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on. on Wed, 20 May 2026 20:54:24 GMT]]>@jeridansky @mikeolson Mm. I haven’t been impressed with them in the past but I should give them another look.

I hate it though, Kagi’s actually good, if only they gave a damn about ethics I would have been recommending them everywhere.

Well perhaps the new google news will inspire some real competition in future years.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/chazh/statuses/116608890590752952https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/chazh/statuses/116608890590752952Wed, 20 May 2026 20:54:24 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on. on Wed, 20 May 2026 20:48:51 GMT]]>@chazh For now I'm using https://noai.duckduckgo.com. I've seen others that I like but they sadly seem to be less comprehensive.

I would gladly pay for a good alternative that isn't as ethically troublesome as Kagi.

@mikeolson

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sfba.social/users/jeridansky/statuses/116608868794258513https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sfba.social/users/jeridansky/statuses/116608868794258513Wed, 20 May 2026 20:48:51 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on. on Wed, 20 May 2026 20:43:54 GMT]]>@jeridansky @mikeolson I agree this is important. I’ve found I can keep the AI away on Kagi but I am troubled by partnering with homophobes and also continuing to do business in Russia.

While “more ethical than Google” has been good enough for me so far, I would love to pay for a better alternative. What do you use?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/chazh/statuses/116608849327443707https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/chazh/statuses/116608849327443707Wed, 20 May 2026 20:43:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on. on Wed, 20 May 2026 20:03:53 GMT]]>@mikeolson

A decentrilsed search engine. No AI, no tracking. No advertising. No javascript of any kind. Never pay for it. Anyone can setup their own "branch" and contribute. Why does this sound so much like the #Fediverse? I could use some help with the system I've building for over a year and with corporations selling us out, we can band together to take the internet back.


This is what the internet was BEFORE the corprite take over.

This is #TidySearch https://search.mpaq.org

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://beamship.mpaq.org/users/bob/statuses/01KS3FSK3GYV0KZCNAS7FX130Shttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://beamship.mpaq.org/users/bob/statuses/01KS3FSK3GYV0KZCNAS7FX130SWed, 20 May 2026 20:03:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on. on Wed, 20 May 2026 20:02:33 GMT]]>@kitkat_blue @mikeolson It *might* have been real long ago, but the incontrovertible cutoff point was buying doubleclick and not burning it to the ground.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://zeroes.ca/users/harmoniousanger/statuses/116608686709279369https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://zeroes.ca/users/harmoniousanger/statuses/116608686709279369Wed, 20 May 2026 20:02:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on. on Wed, 20 May 2026 19:44:11 GMT]]>@mikeolson

"Don't be evil" was never real, they have always been nothing but a dealer giving away their product to get people hooked--only to begin cutting it with poison.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/115736792646413589/statuses/116608614514738588https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/115736792646413589/statuses/116608614514738588Wed, 20 May 2026 19:44:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on. on Wed, 20 May 2026 19:43:06 GMT]]>@hakona

We can now start a discussion to find out if this is really a rethorical question or not. But thank you for your attempt to educate me.

Just to have it said: I found an alternative for google that suits my needs and is ethical enough for me (not sure if it reaches 100%).

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://troet.cafe/users/dexternemrod/statuses/116608610211791732https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://troet.cafe/users/dexternemrod/statuses/116608610211791732Wed, 20 May 2026 19:43:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on. on Wed, 20 May 2026 19:40:11 GMT]]>@hakona

Then I misunderstood you.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://troet.cafe/users/dexternemrod/statuses/116608598747397355https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://troet.cafe/users/dexternemrod/statuses/116608598747397355Wed, 20 May 2026 19:40:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on. on Wed, 20 May 2026 19:37:35 GMT]]>@dexternemrod I'm employing something called a "rhetorical question" . Check Wikipedia, please do *not* google it.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://im.alstadheim.no/users/hakona/statuses/116608588545836154https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://im.alstadheim.no/users/hakona/statuses/116608588545836154Wed, 20 May 2026 19:37:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on. on Wed, 20 May 2026 19:33:42 GMT]]>@dexternemrod It is my way of saying that I will continue using Kagi until somebody shows me an engine, and a company that is unequivocally better ethically (must be functional, that's a pre.req).

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://im.alstadheim.no/users/hakona/statuses/116608573288633566https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://im.alstadheim.no/users/hakona/statuses/116608573288633566Wed, 20 May 2026 19:33:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on. on Wed, 20 May 2026 19:29:30 GMT]]>@hakona

@jeridansky @mikeolson

Why then ask this question?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://troet.cafe/users/dexternemrod/statuses/116608556788332583https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://troet.cafe/users/dexternemrod/statuses/116608556788332583Wed, 20 May 2026 19:29:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on. on Wed, 20 May 2026 19:15:53 GMT]]>@dexternemrod My point exactly. @jeridansky @mikeolson

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://im.alstadheim.no/users/hakona/statuses/116608503214692834https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://im.alstadheim.no/users/hakona/statuses/116608503214692834Wed, 20 May 2026 19:15:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on. on Wed, 20 May 2026 19:06:18 GMT]]>@hakona

@jeridansky @mikeolson

This is the wrong question. In my opinion, if someone points out a flaw, it is better to ask for a better/more ethical alternative and not for a flawless alternative.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://troet.cafe/users/dexternemrod/statuses/116608465526682798https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://troet.cafe/users/dexternemrod/statuses/116608465526682798Wed, 20 May 2026 19:06:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on. on Wed, 20 May 2026 18:58:31 GMT]]>@findus I'm thinking getting actual results, that take me to actual websites is me doing my part to keep the web alive. @jeridansky @mikeolson

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://im.alstadheim.no/users/hakona/statuses/116608434912329388https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://im.alstadheim.no/users/hakona/statuses/116608434912329388Wed, 20 May 2026 18:58:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on. on Wed, 20 May 2026 18:53:13 GMT]]>@hakona @jeridansky @mikeolson I just started to use uruky.com - run by a small team with a decent philosophy. The search results aren't that amazing (personalisation seems to help a bit). But the simple signup (just account number) and user experience (no AI, no ads, just results) makes using it *feel* great 🙂

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.coop/users/findus/statuses/116608414102962179https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.coop/users/findus/statuses/116608414102962179Wed, 20 May 2026 18:53:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on. on Wed, 20 May 2026 18:35:34 GMT]]>@mikeolson I finally switched the default search engine setting on the browsers on my desktop away from Google after decades of using Google.

(I guess we'll see how long Chrome actually respects that setting...)

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mstdn.social/users/wrosecrans/statuses/116608344694682856https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mstdn.social/users/wrosecrans/statuses/116608344694682856Wed, 20 May 2026 18:35:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on. on Wed, 20 May 2026 18:25:33 GMT]]>@0xtero You're welcome. And I hate it, too.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sfba.social/users/jeridansky/statuses/116608305301684288https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sfba.social/users/jeridansky/statuses/116608305301684288Wed, 20 May 2026 18:25:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on. on Wed, 20 May 2026 18:24:07 GMT]]>@jeridansky @mikeolson Fuck. I was enjoying the service, but Brave is just enormous scam. Thanks for the link. I hate this.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://ohai.social/users/0xtero/statuses/116608299678713411https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://ohai.social/users/0xtero/statuses/116608299678713411Wed, 20 May 2026 18:24:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on. on Wed, 20 May 2026 18:23:00 GMT]]>@jeridansky Which search-engine is 100% ethical? @mikeolson

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://im.alstadheim.no/users/hakona/statuses/116608295240184306https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://im.alstadheim.no/users/hakona/statuses/116608295240184306Wed, 20 May 2026 18:23:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on. on Wed, 20 May 2026 18:20:53 GMT]]>@hakona To each their own. For me, using Kagi feels unethical. I do my best to avoid unethical choices. @mikeolson

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sfba.social/users/jeridansky/statuses/116608286955790825https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sfba.social/users/jeridansky/statuses/116608286955790825Wed, 20 May 2026 18:20:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on. on Wed, 20 May 2026 18:15:00 GMT]]>@jeridansky It's not possible to go through life unsullied. For me, Kagi rates as net-better-than-the-default. @mikeolson

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://im.alstadheim.no/users/hakona/statuses/116608263786073772https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://im.alstadheim.no/users/hakona/statuses/116608263786073772Wed, 20 May 2026 18:15:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on. on Wed, 20 May 2026 18:01:14 GMT]]>@mikeolson I was paying for Kagi, and I liked it a lot. But then it decided to partner with Brave, which has an odious CEO (a "famous homophobe" to quote one person) and refused to respond meaningfully to those of us upset by this. So I cancelled my subscription. Some discussion here:
https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/111707582903886811

Kagi's also really into AI and I am definitely not.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sfba.social/users/jeridansky/statuses/116608209697584457https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sfba.social/users/jeridansky/statuses/116608209697584457Wed, 20 May 2026 18:01:14 GMT