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You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on.

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  • mikeolson@mastodon.socialM mikeolson@mastodon.social

    You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on.

    Google Search has been climbing the pile of enshittification for some years now. The new policy announced at I/O, to present search results from a bot that digests web content (and hallucinates) rather than to direct traffic to the sites that create and host content, is the latest large lump to appear.

    Remember "Don't be evil?" Hah! Good days, good days.

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    Switch to @kagihq. Seriously.

    I did, more than a year ago. I pay a modest annual fee. I get search results that are accurate and not loaded with advertisements, links to spam sites, or lies that some LLM made up.

    It's worth the money -- and it's not that much money!

    Happy, happy customer.

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    • mikeolson@mastodon.socialM mikeolson@mastodon.social

      You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on.

      Google Search has been climbing the pile of enshittification for some years now. The new policy announced at I/O, to present search results from a bot that digests web content (and hallucinates) rather than to direct traffic to the sites that create and host content, is the latest large lump to appear.

      Remember "Don't be evil?" Hah! Good days, good days.

      1/2

      shadowfetchai@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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      @mikeolson It's the same enshittification playbook we've seen with app stores. First, they need our content (or apps) to be useful, then they slowly, inevitably, start competing with us on their own platform.

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      • shadowfetchai@mastodon.socialS shadowfetchai@mastodon.social

        @mikeolson It's the same enshittification playbook we've seen with app stores. First, they need our content (or apps) to be useful, then they slowly, inevitably, start competing with us on their own platform.

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        @ShadowfetchAI I say this deliberately, thoughtfully and with sadness in my heart:

        Fuck those fucking fuckers.

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        • mikeolson@mastodon.socialM mikeolson@mastodon.social

          @ShadowfetchAI I say this deliberately, thoughtfully and with sadness in my heart:

          Fuck those fucking fuckers.

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          @mikeolson Couldn't have said it better myself, Mike. Every time they pivot to some new AI feature, it feels like another dozen App Store rejections are waiting in the wings for some arbitrary new rule. It’s exhausting.

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          • mikeolson@mastodon.socialM mikeolson@mastodon.social

            Switch to @kagihq. Seriously.

            I did, more than a year ago. I pay a modest annual fee. I get search results that are accurate and not loaded with advertisements, links to spam sites, or lies that some LLM made up.

            It's worth the money -- and it's not that much money!

            Happy, happy customer.

            2/2

            jeridansky@sfba.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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            @mikeolson I was paying for Kagi, and I liked it a lot. But then it decided to partner with Brave, which has an odious CEO (a "famous homophobe" to quote one person) and refused to respond meaningfully to those of us upset by this. So I cancelled my subscription. Some discussion here:
            https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/111707582903886811

            Kagi's also really into AI and I am definitely not.

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            • jeridansky@sfba.socialJ jeridansky@sfba.social

              @mikeolson I was paying for Kagi, and I liked it a lot. But then it decided to partner with Brave, which has an odious CEO (a "famous homophobe" to quote one person) and refused to respond meaningfully to those of us upset by this. So I cancelled my subscription. Some discussion here:
              https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/111707582903886811

              Kagi's also really into AI and I am definitely not.

              hakona@im.alstadheim.noH This user is from outside of this forum
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              @jeridansky It's not possible to go through life unsullied. For me, Kagi rates as net-better-than-the-default. @mikeolson

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              • hakona@im.alstadheim.noH hakona@im.alstadheim.no

                @jeridansky It's not possible to go through life unsullied. For me, Kagi rates as net-better-than-the-default. @mikeolson

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                @hakona To each their own. For me, using Kagi feels unethical. I do my best to avoid unethical choices. @mikeolson

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                • jeridansky@sfba.socialJ jeridansky@sfba.social

                  @hakona To each their own. For me, using Kagi feels unethical. I do my best to avoid unethical choices. @mikeolson

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                  @jeridansky Which search-engine is 100% ethical? @mikeolson

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                  • jeridansky@sfba.socialJ jeridansky@sfba.social

                    @mikeolson I was paying for Kagi, and I liked it a lot. But then it decided to partner with Brave, which has an odious CEO (a "famous homophobe" to quote one person) and refused to respond meaningfully to those of us upset by this. So I cancelled my subscription. Some discussion here:
                    https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/111707582903886811

                    Kagi's also really into AI and I am definitely not.

                    0xtero@ohai.social0 This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @jeridansky @mikeolson Fuck. I was enjoying the service, but Brave is just enormous scam. Thanks for the link. I hate this.

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                    • 0xtero@ohai.social0 0xtero@ohai.social

                      @jeridansky @mikeolson Fuck. I was enjoying the service, but Brave is just enormous scam. Thanks for the link. I hate this.

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                      @0xtero You're welcome. And I hate it, too.

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                      • mikeolson@mastodon.socialM mikeolson@mastodon.social

                        You're probably seeing a lot of messages like this one in your feed today, but it's important to me to pile on.

                        Google Search has been climbing the pile of enshittification for some years now. The new policy announced at I/O, to present search results from a bot that digests web content (and hallucinates) rather than to direct traffic to the sites that create and host content, is the latest large lump to appear.

                        Remember "Don't be evil?" Hah! Good days, good days.

                        1/2

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                        @mikeolson I finally switched the default search engine setting on the browsers on my desktop away from Google after decades of using Google.

                        (I guess we'll see how long Chrome actually respects that setting...)

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                        • hakona@im.alstadheim.noH hakona@im.alstadheim.no

                          @jeridansky Which search-engine is 100% ethical? @mikeolson

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                          @hakona @jeridansky @mikeolson I just started to use uruky.com - run by a small team with a decent philosophy. The search results aren't that amazing (personalisation seems to help a bit). But the simple signup (just account number) and user experience (no AI, no ads, just results) makes using it *feel* great πŸ™‚

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                          • findus@social.coopF findus@social.coop

                            @hakona @jeridansky @mikeolson I just started to use uruky.com - run by a small team with a decent philosophy. The search results aren't that amazing (personalisation seems to help a bit). But the simple signup (just account number) and user experience (no AI, no ads, just results) makes using it *feel* great πŸ™‚

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                            @findus I'm thinking getting actual results, that take me to actual websites is me doing my part to keep the web alive. @jeridansky @mikeolson

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                            • hakona@im.alstadheim.noH hakona@im.alstadheim.no

                              @jeridansky Which search-engine is 100% ethical? @mikeolson

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                              @hakona

                              @jeridansky @mikeolson

                              This is the wrong question. In my opinion, if someone points out a flaw, it is better to ask for a better/more ethical alternative and not for a flawless alternative.

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                              • dexternemrod@troet.cafeD dexternemrod@troet.cafe

                                @hakona

                                @jeridansky @mikeolson

                                This is the wrong question. In my opinion, if someone points out a flaw, it is better to ask for a better/more ethical alternative and not for a flawless alternative.

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                                @dexternemrod My point exactly. @jeridansky @mikeolson

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                                • hakona@im.alstadheim.noH hakona@im.alstadheim.no

                                  @dexternemrod My point exactly. @jeridansky @mikeolson

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                                  @hakona

                                  @jeridansky @mikeolson

                                  Why then ask this question?

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                                  • dexternemrod@troet.cafeD dexternemrod@troet.cafe

                                    @hakona

                                    @jeridansky @mikeolson

                                    Why then ask this question?

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                                    @dexternemrod It is my way of saying that I will continue using Kagi until somebody shows me an engine, and a company that is unequivocally better ethically (must be functional, that's a pre.req).

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                                    • hakona@im.alstadheim.noH hakona@im.alstadheim.no

                                      @dexternemrod It is my way of saying that I will continue using Kagi until somebody shows me an engine, and a company that is unequivocally better ethically (must be functional, that's a pre.req).

                                      hakona@im.alstadheim.noH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @dexternemrod I'm employing something called a "rhetorical question" . Check Wikipedia, please do *not* google it.

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                                      • hakona@im.alstadheim.noH hakona@im.alstadheim.no

                                        @dexternemrod It is my way of saying that I will continue using Kagi until somebody shows me an engine, and a company that is unequivocally better ethically (must be functional, that's a pre.req).

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                                        @hakona

                                        Then I misunderstood you.

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                                        • hakona@im.alstadheim.noH hakona@im.alstadheim.no

                                          @dexternemrod I'm employing something called a "rhetorical question" . Check Wikipedia, please do *not* google it.

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                                          @hakona

                                          We can now start a discussion to find out if this is really a rethorical question or not. But thank you for your attempt to educate me.

                                          Just to have it said: I found an alternative for google that suits my needs and is ethical enough for me (not sure if it reaches 100%).

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