Can web developers stop fucking with scroll bars please?

[kagan@wandering.shop]

@tanavit @tj It's possible to send client-side code (HTML and CSS) that change the appearance of the scrollbars (including making them completely invisible). Web developers are the people who write that code.

(I suspect web *designers* are the ones who create designs without scrollbars, and then tell the developers to turn them off. But the developers should be pushing back, pointing out that this is a major usability and accessibility problem.)

[tanavit@toot.aquilenet.fr]

@kagan

Thanks.

Is there a way to circumvent these stupidities and allow the browser to present a scrollbar when needed ?

@tj

[bebef@kowelenz.social]

@tj I wonder what you might think about the endless scrolling design pattern...

[argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.org]

@tj

Some websites now display a horizontal progress bar across the top of the viewport, which fills up as you scroll down the page, exactly like a scroll bar.

Instead of just showing a scroll bar.

Madness. Absolute madness.

#webdev

[amorpheus@kind.social]

@tj When scrolling through the replies on this post, the scrollbar does not provide any reliable information on how far I am through until I reach the very end either... 🥸

[cal@kind.social]

@drewtowler @tj I strongly recommend https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/381674-don-t-with-my-scroll

[lunacolon3@blahaj.zone]

@drewtowler@mas.to @tj@howse.social the scroll effect on this website is actually genius, it shows exactly why they are so terrible. i started to feel sick from the scrolling and i dont think thats ever happened to me before

[mindpersephone@spookygirl.boo]

@tj but but my infinite scrolling!

[flesh@transfem.social]

@tj@howse.social "Can web designers stop? I don't give two shits about your design vision."

[flesh@transfem.social]

@kagan@wandering.shop @tanavit@toot.aquilenet.fr @tj@howse.social Let's not forget JavaScript, which enables a great chunk of web design fuckery.

[ericjames@booping.synth.download]

@tj@howse.social in a similar vein, don’t make a page scroll with smoothing at the beginning and in the end. it’s not natural

[ariarhythmic@ohai.social]

@TerrorBite @tj horrendous UX

[ariarhythmic@ohai.social]

@TerrorBite @tj it doesn't even look good.

[leeloo@c.im]

@tanavit @kagan @tj
There are browser extensions, but they mostly require specific code per web site, so not a universal solution.

[leeloo@c.im]

@tanavit @tj
The real one, yes.

But you can set an area of the page to overflow: hidden, meaning that if there is too much content to fit, don't display the excess - which is useful on fixed size boxes because otherwise the content overlaps with other content.

But that also means that you can hide the browser scrollbar and replace it with a slow broken one written in javascript.

[ertain@mast.linuxgamecast.com]

@tj Preach it.

[rusty@piaille.fr]

@argv_minus_one @tj Mobile phones usually dont display the scroll bar. That's a mobile phone design pattern leaking on the desktop.

[songxisto@icosahedron.website]

@TerrorBite @tj firts time I saw that was on the Apple website I guess

[aral@mastodon.ar.al]

@tj Meanwhile, web developers: “Why is the livestock we’re trying to farm for its data talking? John, did you know they could talk?”

[mees@sunny.garden]

@tj but, you would lose interest in our sales pitch if you knew how long it was!