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  • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

    Why would that be a problem for U.S. car manufa—ohhhhh

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    Forced Labor-Made Goods Are Illegal In Canada, And That Might Be A Problem For U.S. Car Manufacturers - Jalopnik

    Rules meant to police Chinese imports could - and should - apply to U.S. manufacturing, one Canadian group is arguing.

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    @jalefkowit It seems Apple is exempt.

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    • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

      In case you were wondering, the specific problem here is the use of prison labor.

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      OTTAWA — Human rights lawyers are calling on Ottawa to ban American imports that stem from forced labour linked to automotive firms using prisoner work in Alabama, under the same law meant to block products made through exploitative practices in China. “Forced or coercive labour can exist anywhere when people lack real choice protection or […]

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      @jalefkowit I assumed, I wondered why automotive specifically

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      • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

        Why would that be a problem for U.S. car manufa—ohhhhh

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        @jalefkowit@vmst.io Whats the definition of forced labour? Does wagework also count as forced labour?

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        • nyovaya@transfem.socialN nyovaya@transfem.social

          @jalefkowit@vmst.io Whats the definition of forced labour? Does wagework also count as forced labour?

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          @nyovaya @jalefkowit You can leave a regular job so no.

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          • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

            Why would that be a problem for U.S. car manufa—ohhhhh

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            @jalefkowit *inhales sharply through clenched teeth*

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            • toriver@mas.toT toriver@mas.to

              @nyovaya @jalefkowit You can leave a regular job so no.

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              @jalefkowit@vmst.io @toriver@mas.to And live on the street? Thats forced labour because you have to do it or you will die.

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              • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

                Why would that be a problem for U.S. car manufa—ohhhhh

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                @jalefkowit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHz2Hmq7soo&feature=youtu.be

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                • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

                  Why would that be a problem for U.S. car manufa—ohhhhh

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                  @jalefkowit the U.S. constitution does not ban slavery

                  *the U.S. constitution does not ban slavery*

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                  • nyovaya@transfem.socialN nyovaya@transfem.social

                    @jalefkowit@vmst.io @toriver@mas.to And live on the street? Thats forced labour because you have to do it or you will die.

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                    @nyovaya @jalefkowit No, you can do something else like live off the land like people did for centuries before «jobs» were a thing. Or do a different job. Are you intentionally trying to distort the meaning of forced labor to try and make it sound less bad than it is?

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                    • toriver@mas.toT toriver@mas.to

                      @nyovaya @jalefkowit No, you can do something else like live off the land like people did for centuries before «jobs» were a thing. Or do a different job. Are you intentionally trying to distort the meaning of forced labor to try and make it sound less bad than it is?

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                      @jalefkowit@vmst.io @toriver@mas.to Both kinds of forced labour are bad. Live off the land, and how do you pay your bills? Yes you could sell what you harvested but not everyone can become a peasant both out of economical reasons as well as of what their abilities are. And I dont think their doctors, internet or electricity provider would like to receive fruits or vegetables as a payment. You are still really dependend on the economy which is using workers like peasents as their slaves and in return they get the bare minimum to live. This is still no better than a wageworker.

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                      • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

                        Why would that be a problem for U.S. car manufa—ohhhhh

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                        @jalefkowit I thought the slavery was banned long time ago but apperently you can use prisoned people as worker with ridicolous wage in USA. that's explain why the USA have prisoned citizens far more than every other country..

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                        • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

                          In case you were wondering, the specific problem here is the use of prison labor.

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                          OTTAWA — Human rights lawyers are calling on Ottawa to ban American imports that stem from forced labour linked to automotive firms using prisoner work in Alabama, under the same law meant to block products made through exploitative practices in China. “Forced or coercive labour can exist anywhere when people lack real choice protection or […]

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                          @jalefkowit I'm sure there are people in the USA who would be only too happy to get rid of the 13th amendment to their constitution.

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                          • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

                            In case you were wondering, the specific problem here is the use of prison labor.

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                            OTTAWA — Human rights lawyers are calling on Ottawa to ban American imports that stem from forced labour linked to automotive firms using prisoner work in Alabama, under the same law meant to block products made through exploitative practices in China. “Forced or coercive labour can exist anywhere when people lack real choice protection or […]

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                            @jalefkowit thank you for explaining. I could not figure it out.

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                            • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

                              Why would that be a problem for U.S. car manufa—ohhhhh

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                              @jalefkowit So does Canada not import US chicken, given the likes of Cargill use forced labor in production?

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                              • baloouriza@social.tulsa.ok.usB baloouriza@social.tulsa.ok.us

                                @jalefkowit So does Canada not import US chicken, given the likes of Cargill use forced labor in production?

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                                @BalooUriza @jalefkowit Canada does not import USA chicken as far as I know, but that's more so due to "supply management", a combination of government subsidy for farmers and farmers' lobby groups fighting for protectionism. A wild thing about Canadian politics is that speaking about "the milk lobby" will nuke your chances of election.

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                                  @jalefkowit Now if only Canada would also ban products made with forced-labour domestically, we'd be getting somewhere

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                                  @jalefkowit @beandreams

                                  “Prisoners also work to help cover the cost of their incarceration.” says this article about Ontario prisons. Everything about that sentence is wrong (morally).

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                                  • ariarhythmic@ohai.socialA ariarhythmic@ohai.social

                                    @jalefkowit the U.S. constitution does not ban slavery

                                    *the U.S. constitution does not ban slavery*

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                                    @ariarhythmic @jalefkowit On paper, it bans chattel slavery. In effect, it requires extra steps and government involvement.

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                                    • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

                                      Why would that be a problem for U.S. car manufa—ohhhhh

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                                      @jalefkowit I meam, I would love to see every country ban imports of products created with forced labour. I don't think Canada will ever enforce it for the States or China. The countermeasures those countries could take would destroy Canada's economy overnight. It's why responses to tariffs have been so muted.

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                                      • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

                                        Why would that be a problem for U.S. car manufa—ohhhhh

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                                        @jalefkowit @tess Well it’s a fair point. Where I live there are many cities that use prison labor for more than a few formerly-paid employee work. And it has been quite a notable program how prisons are now running call center contracts. There is so much enmeshment of “forced labor” that politicians like to whitewash as “training programs”. I believe there is less here for working on parts for things like autos. And what to make of assembly work for advanced tech contacts? So many people would just not be aware of “enforced labor” that is not exactly the choice of an inmate, because it is presented differently.

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                                        • jalefkowit@vmst.ioJ jalefkowit@vmst.io

                                          In case you were wondering, the specific problem here is the use of prison labor.

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                                          OTTAWA — Human rights lawyers are calling on Ottawa to ban American imports that stem from forced labour linked to automotive firms using prisoner work in Alabama, under the same law meant to block products made through exploitative practices in China. “Forced or coercive labour can exist anywhere when people lack real choice protection or […]

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                                          @jalefkowit for anyone who hasn't seen it this is worth a watch

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                                          Katso 13. lisäys | Netflix – viralliset sivut

                                          Tutkijat, aktivistit ja poliitikot analysoivat afroamerikkalaisten kriminalisointia ja USA:n vankilabuumia ajatuksia herättävässä dokumentissa. Katso trailerit ja lisätiedot

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                                          The title refers to the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, adopted in 1865, which abolished slavery throughout the United States and ended involuntary servitude, except as punishment for convicted criminals. The film argues that this exemption has been used to continue the practice of involuntary servitude in the form of penal labor.

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