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  • chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.caC chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca

    @Amgine some say Syria was the first great migration as the civil war was in part caused by historic drought. But ya, I think we will unfortunately see much larger migrations. (we as in you and I)

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    @chris

    70 m sea rise. I keep thinking I should buy land which will flood, and build clam beds, salmon corrals, while it is still dry. Or start terrafarming the alpines.

    Of course, if I had money for that I would already have spent it on building social housing.

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    • chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.caC chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca

      @dyckron OH YA!

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      @chris 🤣 *whew*

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      • peachfront@toot.communityP peachfront@toot.community

        @chris

        i'm extremely disheartened, the Endangered Species Act has stood for 50 years, now apparently they're going to just... wipe it away...

        i can't help but feel like that's the true purpose of the war, to provide the oil companies with one last grab at huge profits because otherwise their market share would have just continued to go quietly downward as they're replaced with greener tech

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        @peachfront i think that is precisely the reason.

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        • chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.caC chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca

          I hate this timeline.

          As a long time #climate campaigner... I almost feel like I should be hoping that the Iran/US war continues as long as possible so the price of oil and gasoline can go as high as possible and force economies to electrify and shift at emergency-speed to renewables.

          We could have started on this the easy way 30 years ago... but a few of the same people objected and obstructed.

          #IranUSIsraelWar #ClimateCatastrophe #ClimateWar #Oil #EndFossilFuels #ClimateCollapse #USA #CanPoli #CdnPoli

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          @chris

          I hope in 50 years there are enough knowledgeable people left to protest the unveiling of Trump's monument calling him the Spark Plug of Vehicle Electrification...

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          • paulbusch@cosocial.caP paulbusch@cosocial.ca

            @chris

            I hope in 50 years there are enough knowledgeable people left to protest the unveiling of Trump's monument calling him the Spark Plug of Vehicle Electrification...

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            @PaulBusch lol! yes!

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            • chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.caC chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca

              I hate this timeline.

              As a long time #climate campaigner... I almost feel like I should be hoping that the Iran/US war continues as long as possible so the price of oil and gasoline can go as high as possible and force economies to electrify and shift at emergency-speed to renewables.

              We could have started on this the easy way 30 years ago... but a few of the same people objected and obstructed.

              #IranUSIsraelWar #ClimateCatastrophe #ClimateWar #Oil #EndFossilFuels #ClimateCollapse #USA #CanPoli #CdnPoli

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              @chris
              Want to agree but unfortunately there's a LOT of poor people that's going to suffer. As usual.

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              • bike4climate@mastodon.nuB bike4climate@mastodon.nu

                @chris
                Want to agree but unfortunately there's a LOT of poor people that's going to suffer. As usual.

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                @bike4climate always 😞

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                • chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.caC chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca

                  I hate this timeline.

                  As a long time #climate campaigner... I almost feel like I should be hoping that the Iran/US war continues as long as possible so the price of oil and gasoline can go as high as possible and force economies to electrify and shift at emergency-speed to renewables.

                  We could have started on this the easy way 30 years ago... but a few of the same people objected and obstructed.

                  #IranUSIsraelWar #ClimateCatastrophe #ClimateWar #Oil #EndFossilFuels #ClimateCollapse #USA #CanPoli #CdnPoli

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                  @chris
                  If there is a silver lining to this madness, it might be that. But I’m not holding my breath. #Climate

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                  • chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.caC chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca

                    I hate this timeline.

                    As a long time #climate campaigner... I almost feel like I should be hoping that the Iran/US war continues as long as possible so the price of oil and gasoline can go as high as possible and force economies to electrify and shift at emergency-speed to renewables.

                    We could have started on this the easy way 30 years ago... but a few of the same people objected and obstructed.

                    #IranUSIsraelWar #ClimateCatastrophe #ClimateWar #Oil #EndFossilFuels #ClimateCollapse #USA #CanPoli #CdnPoli

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                    @chris Reminds me of the adage: when is the best time to plant a tree? 30 years ago. When is the second best time to plant a tree? right now. But why do they changes have to be on the back of so many deaths and so much destruction.

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                    • chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.caC chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca

                      I hate this timeline.

                      As a long time #climate campaigner... I almost feel like I should be hoping that the Iran/US war continues as long as possible so the price of oil and gasoline can go as high as possible and force economies to electrify and shift at emergency-speed to renewables.

                      We could have started on this the easy way 30 years ago... but a few of the same people objected and obstructed.

                      #IranUSIsraelWar #ClimateCatastrophe #ClimateWar #Oil #EndFossilFuels #ClimateCollapse #USA #CanPoli #CdnPoli

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                      @chris For once perhaps a GOOD unintended consequence.

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                      • paulbusch@cosocial.caP paulbusch@cosocial.ca

                        @chris

                        I hope in 50 years there are enough knowledgeable people left to protest the unveiling of Trump's monument calling him the Spark Plug of Vehicle Electrification...

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                        @PaulBusch @chris Seriously, look at Europe since Ukranian invasion. Alternatives are 5 years ahead of schedule.

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                        • chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.caC chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca

                          I hate this timeline.

                          As a long time #climate campaigner... I almost feel like I should be hoping that the Iran/US war continues as long as possible so the price of oil and gasoline can go as high as possible and force economies to electrify and shift at emergency-speed to renewables.

                          We could have started on this the easy way 30 years ago... but a few of the same people objected and obstructed.

                          #IranUSIsraelWar #ClimateCatastrophe #ClimateWar #Oil #EndFossilFuels #ClimateCollapse #USA #CanPoli #CdnPoli

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                          @chris
                          I feel you. It’s a weird situation to be cheering on the blowing up of O&G infrastructure, tankers etc., but it really seems like the only way to move the dial after decades of trying to get people to see reason. 🤦‍♂️

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                          • chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.caC chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca

                            I hate this timeline.

                            As a long time #climate campaigner... I almost feel like I should be hoping that the Iran/US war continues as long as possible so the price of oil and gasoline can go as high as possible and force economies to electrify and shift at emergency-speed to renewables.

                            We could have started on this the easy way 30 years ago... but a few of the same people objected and obstructed.

                            #IranUSIsraelWar #ClimateCatastrophe #ClimateWar #Oil #EndFossilFuels #ClimateCollapse #USA #CanPoli #CdnPoli

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                            @chris easily said... yatta yatta.

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                            • chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.caC chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca

                              I hate this timeline.

                              As a long time #climate campaigner... I almost feel like I should be hoping that the Iran/US war continues as long as possible so the price of oil and gasoline can go as high as possible and force economies to electrify and shift at emergency-speed to renewables.

                              We could have started on this the easy way 30 years ago... but a few of the same people objected and obstructed.

                              #IranUSIsraelWar #ClimateCatastrophe #ClimateWar #Oil #EndFossilFuels #ClimateCollapse #USA #CanPoli #CdnPoli

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                              @chris there is only one slight problem I would have to buy a new car and new cars are crap.

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                              • allen@rail.chatA allen@rail.chat

                                @peachfront

                                @chris

                                If you're comparing today to the 1970s, at the time, Western dependence on oil was higher and sustainable options were either very expensive (hydro and nuclear), or experimental, low-performing and very expensive (wind and solar).

                                Now that there are more options for countries and their consumers than to "buy the oil at whatever price", higher oil prices won't necessarily lead to more drilling long term, as a price crash when M. E. Facilities come online is predictable 1/2

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                                @peachfront

                                @chris

                                Also, bear in mind that the Trump admin will dream up their own emergencies to dismantle climate policy, even if they didn't fumble their way into more real ones. See the fake energy emergencies to force coal power plants to stay open in 2025.

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                                • peachfront@toot.communityP peachfront@toot.community

                                  @chris

                                  when you pray for the price of oil & gas to rise, you are praying for increased drilling of my home &, at this point, the end to the Endangered Species Act & our environmental protections in the Gulf of Mexico

                                  if you're a long-time climate campaigner, please notice that raising the price of oil has never once in the history of earth done anything except make companies & countries drill more because suddenly their product is too valuable to leave in the ground

                                  SIGH

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                                  @peachfront

                                  @chris

                                  If you're comparing today to the 1970s, at the time, Western dependence on oil was higher and sustainable options were either very expensive (hydro and nuclear), or experimental, low-performing and very expensive (wind and solar).

                                  Now that there are more options for countries and their consumers than to "buy the oil at whatever price", higher oil prices won't necessarily lead to more drilling long term, as a price crash when M. E. Facilities come online is predictable 1/2

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                                  • allen@rail.chatA allen@rail.chat

                                    @peachfront

                                    @chris

                                    If you're comparing today to the 1970s, at the time, Western dependence on oil was higher and sustainable options were either very expensive (hydro and nuclear), or experimental, low-performing and very expensive (wind and solar).

                                    Now that there are more options for countries and their consumers than to "buy the oil at whatever price", higher oil prices won't necessarily lead to more drilling long term, as a price crash when M. E. Facilities come online is predictable 1/2

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                                    @allen @chris

                                    they are literally as we speak going to speed up drilling in the Gulf of Mexico and remove environmental obstacles including the Endangered Species Act

                                    i just live here, man, but that's what they're reporting & it isn't like the local news isn't GOP owned...

                                    the ESA in particular is an extremely popular law, they literally DO need the excuse of a war to get rid of it & that is what they are doing so...

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                                    • C cameron29@mastodon.social

                                      @chris there is only one slight problem I would have to buy a new car and new cars are crap.

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                                      @cameron29 reuse/convert ice to ev!

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                                      • C cameron29@mastodon.social

                                        @chris there is only one slight problem I would have to buy a new car and new cars are crap.

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                                        @cameron29 reuse/convert ice to ev!

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                                        • chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.caC chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca

                                          @MilitaryG we could have *started* 30 years ago in many many ways that would have our position today very very different

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                                          @chris @MilitaryG

                                          Electricity generating wind turbines were invented in 1883. Vancouver has had electric trolley busses since 1948. The first concentrated solar power plant was built in 1968. Germany set up funding for installing photovoltaic roofs in 1989, Japan followed in 1994. Ballard went public in 1993, I remember reading about their fuel cells and electric cars in high school.

                                          All the tech existed in 1996, financial necessity would have pushed innovation a lot harder than environmental foresight did.

                                          Frick, George W Bush advocated for turning to hydrogen as an energy source in his 2003 State Of The Union address, not for the environment, but to make America less dependent on foreign energy. I'm still bitter that environmentalists didn't use that opportunity to latch on to protectionism to sell renewables to conservatives. That could have been 23 years of preparation. Not much choice now.

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