This post is awesome, and I predict aftermarket shops offering to remove car surveillance to spring up in the next few years.
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I’m waiting for instructions on how to strip cars of all the unnecessary stuff. This applies to both software and hardware. Cars that are stripped down to the bare essentials.
Get rid of all those “convenience” features… mirrors, windows, central locking, etc.
Or an alternative manufacturer offering an open-source car in the “Tin Lizzy” style, with various basic modules that are compatible with each other—e.g., batteries, motors, chassis, and bodywork. Easy to hack and modify.
@bureaux This basic model could be a cargo bike. 🤫
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@bureaux This basic model could be a cargo bike. 🤫
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@bureaux .... oh ... yes!
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@funnymonkey If the data is (maybe) still saved on a local harddrive in the car what happens to the data when you bring the car in for service and the mechanic "connects it to a computer"?
Cheers from Denmark
they can get it, but normally only main dealers have proprietary kit to snag *all* the data and many would only use deeper dives into it for something like denying a warranty claim on a car that has been modified against finance agreement terms.
However its not inconceivable that a lot of data *is* sent up to manufacturers during standard services, as the working of the diagnostic tools used is fairly opaque (even the technicians aren't told exactly how they work, just how to use them!)
But many cars in UK fall out of main dealer network servicing after manufacturer warranty expires and are sent to independent garages for servicing..
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This post is awesome, and I predict aftermarket shops offering to remove car surveillance to spring up in the next few years.
It shouldn't be necessary, but it is.
Removing the Modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid
Modern cars are computers on wheels that send home nonstop telemetry about you. In this post I remove my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid's modem and GPS to prevent that :)
(arkadiyt.com)
I've been considering if converting a very late model Commodore to EV, is the best why to get a surveillance free EV sedan.
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This post is awesome, and I predict aftermarket shops offering to remove car surveillance to spring up in the next few years.
It shouldn't be necessary, but it is.
Removing the Modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid
Modern cars are computers on wheels that send home nonstop telemetry about you. In this post I remove my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid's modem and GPS to prevent that :)
(arkadiyt.com)
@funnymonkey they should do the same for televisions.
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My VW owners manual (and other statements online) openly state that telemetry data is stored in multiple modules across the vehicle, and should the vehicle be involved in an incident it is available to authorities and insurers if they request it, although as its a 2018 vehicle without a SIM card or e-call its not sending real time data to VW (they abandoned this even if you connect your mobile phone as it didn't work with LTE and 3G internet is stopped in most countries)
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This post is awesome, and I predict aftermarket shops offering to remove car surveillance to spring up in the next few years.
It shouldn't be necessary, but it is.
Removing the Modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid
Modern cars are computers on wheels that send home nonstop telemetry about you. In this post I remove my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid's modem and GPS to prevent that :)
(arkadiyt.com)
Very good information indeed!
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@funnymonkey great post, but lots of work and risk of f-ing up your car. So who's actually going to do it? Just like there should be an aftermarket for this sort of work, there should be a manufacturer, who offers no surveillance cars. Better yet government needs to pass laws with stiff penalties that mandate easy and thorough disabling of all spyware in cars and on phones. Fat chances of this happening in the US of A or in China!
@RulesBuster @funnymonkey Yes please. I should start looking for a new vehicle and the RAV4 is top of a very short list. I am not buying until I know all this shit can be disabled. Ideally by a pro not me
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@funnymonkey I’ll just keep driving my 1998 Jeep. It still had the original cassette player when I bought it …
@teacher_rick @funnymonkey My car is a bit newer but crank windows, actual keys, standard transmission and a CD player with the same CD stuck since 2020. I loooove it.
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@funnymonkey Given this prevents software updates, emergency response and may invalidate warrantees - surely informing users so they can exercise buyer choice is a better option?
Or if you must do it, have a toggle switch so you can still enable it for updates.
@digdilem @funnymonkey I wouldn’t trust a toggle switch
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This post is awesome, and I predict aftermarket shops offering to remove car surveillance to spring up in the next few years.
It shouldn't be necessary, but it is.
Removing the Modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid
Modern cars are computers on wheels that send home nonstop telemetry about you. In this post I remove my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid's modem and GPS to prevent that :)
(arkadiyt.com)
One thought after watching tons of real crime TV and being amazed at what look like some stunning judicial travesties:
Should you wind up in an accident and the police/prosecution decide, rightly or wrongly, you're criminally culpable (especially where there may be angry families involved who've lost someone and demand revenge), disconnecting the surveillance system will absolutely be used as evidence of premeditation in the commission of whatever offense is being ginned-up.
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This post is awesome, and I predict aftermarket shops offering to remove car surveillance to spring up in the next few years.
It shouldn't be necessary, but it is.
Removing the Modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid
Modern cars are computers on wheels that send home nonstop telemetry about you. In this post I remove my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid's modem and GPS to prevent that :)
(arkadiyt.com)
@funnymonkey I read an article this week about all Porsches in Russia bricking overnight because they could no longer connect to the home server.
It took Russian hackers a couple of days to identify the component on the ECU and isolate it restoring full function.
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This post is awesome, and I predict aftermarket shops offering to remove car surveillance to spring up in the next few years.
It shouldn't be necessary, but it is.
Removing the Modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid
Modern cars are computers on wheels that send home nonstop telemetry about you. In this post I remove my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid's modem and GPS to prevent that :)
(arkadiyt.com)
@funnymonkey @rpmik I don’t know how it has taken this long. I have been impatiently waiting for car tech hack garages to pop up alongside the EV conversion / maintenance places for YEARS
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This post is awesome, and I predict aftermarket shops offering to remove car surveillance to spring up in the next few years.
It shouldn't be necessary, but it is.
Removing the Modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid
Modern cars are computers on wheels that send home nonstop telemetry about you. In this post I remove my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid's modem and GPS to prevent that :)
(arkadiyt.com)
@funnymonkey @rpmik I'm hoping to buy one of these and, if necessary, take steps to remove surveillance.
But I'm also wondering whether connecting a phone via Bluetooth would give the car access to a cellular connection to the Internet.
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The article covers this.
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This post is awesome, and I predict aftermarket shops offering to remove car surveillance to spring up in the next few years.
It shouldn't be necessary, but it is.
Removing the Modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid
Modern cars are computers on wheels that send home nonstop telemetry about you. In this post I remove my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid's modem and GPS to prevent that :)
(arkadiyt.com)
"Telematics delete" is a good bit of search sauce on this...
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This post is awesome, and I predict aftermarket shops offering to remove car surveillance to spring up in the next few years.
It shouldn't be necessary, but it is.
Removing the Modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid
Modern cars are computers on wheels that send home nonstop telemetry about you. In this post I remove my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid's modem and GPS to prevent that :)
(arkadiyt.com)
@funnymonkey
Don't forget the TPS trackers
https://www.techspot.com/news/111493-hackers-can-now-track-car-location-through-tire.html -
@funnymonkey I imagine we're just a year or two from police having remote stop capabilities along with the ability to pull full location and speed logs from any car
ETA - three months away from being three years car-free, and every year I'm happier with the decision.
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This post is awesome, and I predict aftermarket shops offering to remove car surveillance to spring up in the next few years.
It shouldn't be necessary, but it is.
Removing the Modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid
Modern cars are computers on wheels that send home nonstop telemetry about you. In this post I remove my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid's modem and GPS to prevent that :)
(arkadiyt.com)
@funnymonkey I can understand the desire for privacy, but don't see what is being accomplished if you still take cellphone w you? And you can probably achieve 80%+ of this by just pulling a fuse or two, and/or disconnecting antennas, with lot less effort. Reminds me of people that put multiple locks on a door but never strengthen door and door frame or windows.
