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"On the acceptance of GenAI"https://smallsheds.garden/blog/2026/on-the-acceptance-of-genai/

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  • buckfiftyseven@mastodon.socialB buckfiftyseven@mastodon.social

    @tante @ai6yr I wrote about this yesterday, Mastodon's decision to voluntarily downsize in the face of AI. I think it's sad, but I'll take the clue and start unfollowing.

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    @buckfiftyseven @tante So let me get this right. You are an AI fan, and you don't like people who are not fans of AI (for the reasons in that post), so you are unfollowing people who don't like AI? That's fine, I guess. 🤔

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    • ai6yr@m.ai6yr.orgA ai6yr@m.ai6yr.org

      @buckfiftyseven @tante So let me get this right. You are an AI fan, and you don't like people who are not fans of AI (for the reasons in that post), so you are unfollowing people who don't like AI? That's fine, I guess. 🤔

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      @ai6yr @tante That's a very shallow way to represent it. I would say I understand American copyright law, and I understand the contradiction of people who run ad blockers while claiming they support copyright law and the contradiction of people who run ad blockers saying that AI training is stealing.

      Public domain exists. Open source exists. Creative Commons exists. And the body of law on fair use goes back quite a long time.

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      • buckfiftyseven@mastodon.socialB buckfiftyseven@mastodon.social

        @ai6yr @tante That's a very shallow way to represent it. I would say I understand American copyright law, and I understand the contradiction of people who run ad blockers while claiming they support copyright law and the contradiction of people who run ad blockers saying that AI training is stealing.

        Public domain exists. Open source exists. Creative Commons exists. And the body of law on fair use goes back quite a long time.

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        @buckfiftyseven @tante Ah, so you are saying if you are using an ad blocker, you are as wrong as the AI companies?

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        • ai6yr@m.ai6yr.orgA ai6yr@m.ai6yr.org

          @buckfiftyseven @tante So let me get this right. You are an AI fan, and you don't like people who are not fans of AI (for the reasons in that post), so you are unfollowing people who don't like AI? That's fine, I guess. 🤔

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          @ai6yr @tante

          Honestly it was the "voluntary downsize" comment that got me.

          Nobody wants to follow my hot takes and brilliant insights? Clearly, then, Mastodon must be what's pushing them away.

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          • ai6yr@m.ai6yr.orgA ai6yr@m.ai6yr.org

            @buckfiftyseven @tante Ah, so you are saying if you are using an ad blocker, you are as wrong as the AI companies?

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            @ai6yr @tante it seems pretty similar doesn't it? Taking what you want from a website, regardless of the host's intentions?

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            • buckfiftyseven@mastodon.socialB buckfiftyseven@mastodon.social

              @ai6yr @tante it seems pretty similar doesn't it? Taking what you want from a website, regardless of the host's intentions?

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              @buckfiftyseven @ai6yr @tante I think most running an adblocker is doing so to block data brokers, not the ad itself. Privacy is as much part of the equation here as the actual ad.

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              • mrbase@phpc.socialM mrbase@phpc.social

                @buckfiftyseven @ai6yr @tante I think most running an adblocker is doing so to block data brokers, not the ad itself. Privacy is as much part of the equation here as the actual ad.

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                @mrbase @ai6yr @tante we definitely ended up in an unsatisfactory situation with respect to ads, brokers, and blockers. There's no denying that.

                It's interesting that no matter what your website license says, the courts say that the blockers are legal, filtering available content under some concept of fair use.

                So we are back to what exactly are AIs doing that is stealing? We can give public domain data a clean pass. I think that they honor most open source and Creative Commons licenses 1/2

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                • buckfiftyseven@mastodon.socialB buckfiftyseven@mastodon.social

                  @mrbase @ai6yr @tante we definitely ended up in an unsatisfactory situation with respect to ads, brokers, and blockers. There's no denying that.

                  It's interesting that no matter what your website license says, the courts say that the blockers are legal, filtering available content under some concept of fair use.

                  So we are back to what exactly are AIs doing that is stealing? We can give public domain data a clean pass. I think that they honor most open source and Creative Commons licenses 1/2

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                  @mrbase @ai6yr @tante so we are into a muddy legal ground that will probably have to be battled out in the actual courts, about how a fair use doctrine invented in 1741 for copyrighted works applies forward now.

                  That's just the input side of course. On the output side it seems clear that too closely reproducing an existing work would be a violation as well.

                  2/2

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                  • mrbase@phpc.socialM mrbase@phpc.social

                    @buckfiftyseven @ai6yr @tante I think most running an adblocker is doing so to block data brokers, not the ad itself. Privacy is as much part of the equation here as the actual ad.

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                    @mrbase
                    I'd allow an ad that's a static image. Ads as they come now are full untrusted bits of code running on my machine without me inviting them. Blocking them is a security measure.
                    @buckfiftyseven @ai6yr @tante

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                    • buckfiftyseven@mastodon.socialB buckfiftyseven@mastodon.social

                      @ai6yr @tante it seems pretty similar doesn't it? Taking what you want from a website, regardless of the host's intentions?

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                      @buckfiftyseven @ai6yr @tante Actually sites that don't want you to see their sites with ad blockers can easily do so.

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                      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                        "On the acceptance of GenAI"
                        https://smallsheds.garden/blog/2026/on-the-acceptance-of-genai/

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                        @tante I don't use GenAI, I just try to find new and creative ways to break it.

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                        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                          "On the acceptance of GenAI"
                          https://smallsheds.garden/blog/2026/on-the-acceptance-of-genai/

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                          @tante

                          None of these are true if you run your own LLMs on your own hardware, using FLOSS models.

                          But the #MastodonHOA has deemed all AI to be abhorrent as a blanket decision.

                          And frankly, if you exist in a capitalist society, and you're not an owner, there is 100% chance you are exploited. The capitalist system requires it.

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                          • crankylinuxuser@infosec.exchangeC crankylinuxuser@infosec.exchange

                            @tante

                            None of these are true if you run your own LLMs on your own hardware, using FLOSS models.

                            But the #MastodonHOA has deemed all AI to be abhorrent as a blanket decision.

                            And frankly, if you exist in a capitalist society, and you're not an owner, there is 100% chance you are exploited. The capitalist system requires it.

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                            @crankylinuxuser FLOSS Models (which are only freeware) fulfill most of those boxes. Trained on stolen data, massaged by people in global majority countries, trained in environmentally harmful data centers, outsourcing skills to the freeware product a company dumped on me, using a tool that is imbued and trained for how big tech wants to see the world, and effort could have gone to something meaningful. So yeah nope.

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                            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                              "On the acceptance of GenAI"
                              https://smallsheds.garden/blog/2026/on-the-acceptance-of-genai/

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                              @tante I looove this! thanks!

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                              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                @crankylinuxuser FLOSS Models (which are only freeware) fulfill most of those boxes. Trained on stolen data, massaged by people in global majority countries, trained in environmentally harmful data centers, outsourcing skills to the freeware product a company dumped on me, using a tool that is imbued and trained for how big tech wants to see the world, and effort could have gone to something meaningful. So yeah nope.

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                                @tante

                                "Trained on stolen data". Its at best a copyright violation. And I view things like Anna's Archive and Libgen to be internationally renowned Public Libraries.

                                "Massaged by people in global majority countries" - yes, people work in capitalism. And guess what... You're exploited.

                                "Trained in environmentally harmful data centers". This assumes that training is always needed, and its not. You can train once, and run X times. Again, you're stretching to make local LLM look horrible.

                                And really, the rest of these are poor excuses. I won't use poop smear(anthropic), or OpenAI, or other SaaS token companies. I run local, and does not have those things you claim.

                                Except for the copyright issue. But again, I dont have that much respect for current US copyright.

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                                • crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC crazyeddie@mastodon.social

                                  @tante Bad framing.

                                  There's no such thing as GenAI.

                                  That's some lofty goal they're supposedly going to reach by investing the entire world economy into it.

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                                  @crazyeddie @tante GenAI as in Generative AI, not Artificial General Intelligence (AGI).

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                                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                    "On the acceptance of GenAI"
                                    https://smallsheds.garden/blog/2026/on-the-acceptance-of-genai/

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                                    @tante

                                    x I accept that using this tool will make me measurably stupider

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                                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                      "On the acceptance of GenAI"
                                      https://smallsheds.garden/blog/2026/on-the-acceptance-of-genai/

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                                      @tante There should be a "I accept that all of my data will be used against me at some point" option.

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                                      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                        "On the acceptance of GenAI"
                                        https://smallsheds.garden/blog/2026/on-the-acceptance-of-genai/

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                                        @tante even Claude would have added a Select All option
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                                        • crankylinuxuser@infosec.exchangeC crankylinuxuser@infosec.exchange

                                          @tante

                                          "Trained on stolen data". Its at best a copyright violation. And I view things like Anna's Archive and Libgen to be internationally renowned Public Libraries.

                                          "Massaged by people in global majority countries" - yes, people work in capitalism. And guess what... You're exploited.

                                          "Trained in environmentally harmful data centers". This assumes that training is always needed, and its not. You can train once, and run X times. Again, you're stretching to make local LLM look horrible.

                                          And really, the rest of these are poor excuses. I won't use poop smear(anthropic), or OpenAI, or other SaaS token companies. I run local, and does not have those things you claim.

                                          Except for the copyright issue. But again, I dont have that much respect for current US copyright.

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                                          @crankylinuxuser @tante

                                          Its at best a copyright violation

                                          This may be true for published and public data... but that's not the only data that goes into these things. Any data that comes from breaches, users private cameras, and anything else stored with an expectation of privacy is much worse than a copyright violation.

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