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  3. It's #WorldBicycleDay and a good time to mention this graph from Scientific American, first published in 1973, and updated 2025.

It's #WorldBicycleDay and a good time to mention this graph from Scientific American, first published in 1973, and updated 2025.

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  • armb@infosec.exchangeA armb@infosec.exchange

    @joncounts @Two9A I don't believe the "velomobile weighs less than bicycle" as shown on the chart though.

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    @armb @joncounts Mm, I mentioned elsewhere that I think the "human on velomobile" is one data point, and the person they found to measure energy output was just particularly small and light. It was always going to be in the ballpark of "human on bike" though.

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    • two9a@hachyderm.ioT two9a@hachyderm.io

      It's #WorldBicycleDay and a good time to mention this graph from Scientific American, first published in 1973, and updated 2025.

      A person on a bike is the world's most energy-efficient mode of transport, and it's not even close. Salmon use three times as many joules/g/km to get around, and then it's jet aircraft at 5x.

      #BikeTooter #Climate

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      @Two9A Can somebody update this and add an e-bike?

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      • kingmaype@mastodon.greenK kingmaype@mastodon.green

        @Two9A @markhburton

        Muscles are about as efficient as combustion engines.

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        @Two9A @markhburton

        Fatbikes in NL take about 20 Wh/km:

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        Hoeveel stroom verbruikt een elektrische fiets? | ANWB

        Hoeveel kWh een elektrische fiets verbruikt hangt af van meerdere factoren. Lees hier alles over het (besparen van) stroomverbruik met een elektrische fiets.

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        A Wh is about 0.86 calories.

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        • two9a@hachyderm.ioT two9a@hachyderm.io

          @LovesTha @KingmaYpe I dunno, the widebodies with the gargantuan turbofans are astonishingly efficient. I found figures for the A330neo as operated by Cebu Pacific (with 459 seats crammed into economy) of 250 tons takeoff weight, 1.75L/100km of Jet-A used per seat; that translates to 0.6 cal/g/km if my sums work out.

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          @Two9A @LovesTha @KingmaYpe Sure, but I think for my commute to work (3mi) the bike still cmes out ahead. But I am not going to able to bike to Europe.

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          • kingmaype@mastodon.greenK kingmaype@mastodon.green

            @Two9A @markhburton

            Fatbikes in NL take about 20 Wh/km:

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            Hoeveel stroom verbruikt een elektrische fiets? | ANWB

            Hoeveel kWh een elektrische fiets verbruikt hangt af van meerdere factoren. Lees hier alles over het (besparen van) stroomverbruik met een elektrische fiets.

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            A Wh is about 0.86 calories.

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            @KingmaYpe @markhburton Which would be 0.0086 calories per kg per km if you're a hundred kg's and jump on an ebike.

            That's below the bottom of the Y-axis on this chart, by some distance.

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            • two9a@hachyderm.ioT two9a@hachyderm.io

              It's #WorldBicycleDay and a good time to mention this graph from Scientific American, first published in 1973, and updated 2025.

              A person on a bike is the world's most energy-efficient mode of transport, and it's not even close. Salmon use three times as many joules/g/km to get around, and then it's jet aircraft at 5x.

              #BikeTooter #Climate

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              @Two9A Curious that electric trains aren't mentioned, given the low friction and efficient transmission of power. Maybe because it was an abandoned transportation in the 1970s America, to support the combustion engines local industry.

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              • two9a@hachyderm.ioT two9a@hachyderm.io

                @KingmaYpe @markhburton Which would be 0.0086 calories per kg per km if you're a hundred kg's and jump on an ebike.

                That's below the bottom of the Y-axis on this chart, by some distance.

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                @Two9A @markhburton

                Times 20, but still off scale.

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                • two9a@hachyderm.ioT two9a@hachyderm.io

                  It's #WorldBicycleDay and a good time to mention this graph from Scientific American, first published in 1973, and updated 2025.

                  A person on a bike is the world's most energy-efficient mode of transport, and it's not even close. Salmon use three times as many joules/g/km to get around, and then it's jet aircraft at 5x.

                  #BikeTooter #Climate

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                  @Two9A where do train and bus fall?

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                  • lpryszcz@genomic.socialL lpryszcz@genomic.social

                    @Two9A where do train and bus fall?

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                    @lpryszcz Elsewhere in this thread, calculations are floating around of 0.3 cal/g/km; that'd be on the scale of an aircraft (or above that) in weight, but more energy efficient.

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                    • two9a@hachyderm.ioT two9a@hachyderm.io

                      It's #WorldBicycleDay and a good time to mention this graph from Scientific American, first published in 1973, and updated 2025.

                      A person on a bike is the world's most energy-efficient mode of transport, and it's not even close. Salmon use three times as many joules/g/km to get around, and then it's jet aircraft at 5x.

                      #BikeTooter #Climate

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                      @Two9A I recall Astronomer Carl Sagan in his promotion of the bicycle as the most efficient mode of transport said that if the surface of the earth were glass (meaning very flat and smooth), lizards would have evolved wheels rather than feet. An additional element is that the power source of the bicycle and the the passenger(s) are the same, self-contained, unit, so you don't have to move around a power source, much of the drive train, container, as well as large tires to support this load in addition to the passenger, which also minimizes friction in both the wheels and airflow. Probably a key element in energy efficiency then becomes the energy subsidies in the food source, but this holds for both bicycle and other other forms of transport as people must eat to sustain themselves whether or not they ride bicycle to get around. Furthermore non-bicyclists require exercise separate from their transport to burn off stored excess energy and sustain their health which adds additional energy costs including transport to and from the gym, and even more if they don't exercise and are forced to utilize the highly energy and resource intensive medical system to keep themselves functioning. I'll note my wife is going on 88 years, riding a bicycle between 10 and as much as a hundred miles a day, despite knee problems walking.

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                      • two9a@hachyderm.ioT two9a@hachyderm.io

                        It's #WorldBicycleDay and a good time to mention this graph from Scientific American, first published in 1973, and updated 2025.

                        A person on a bike is the world's most energy-efficient mode of transport, and it's not even close. Salmon use three times as many joules/g/km to get around, and then it's jet aircraft at 5x.

                        #BikeTooter #Climate

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                        failedlyndonlarouchite@mas.to
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                        @Two9A

                        if you believe wikipedia, an electric bike is 3x as efficient as a regular bike

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                        but this suggests that the ebike and escooter numbers maybe false

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                        Transit buses suck, per this
                        https://afdc.energy.gov/data/10311

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                        • two9a@hachyderm.ioT two9a@hachyderm.io

                          It's #WorldBicycleDay and a good time to mention this graph from Scientific American, first published in 1973, and updated 2025.

                          A person on a bike is the world's most energy-efficient mode of transport, and it's not even close. Salmon use three times as many joules/g/km to get around, and then it's jet aircraft at 5x.

                          #BikeTooter #Climate

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                          @Two9A I hope those are small calories. Maybe in another 52 years they can update to SI units.

                          Would be interesting to throw in the amortized acquisition and maintenance energy cost/km of road / bike path surfaces, and of the various vehicles, as well.

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                          • two9a@hachyderm.ioT two9a@hachyderm.io

                            It's #WorldBicycleDay and a good time to mention this graph from Scientific American, first published in 1973, and updated 2025.

                            A person on a bike is the world's most energy-efficient mode of transport, and it's not even close. Salmon use three times as many joules/g/km to get around, and then it's jet aircraft at 5x.

                            #BikeTooter #Climate

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                            @Two9A pogo stick is sadly neglected these days.

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                            • maccruiskeen@social.linux.pizzaM maccruiskeen@social.linux.pizza

                              @Two9A @LovesTha @KingmaYpe Sure, but I think for my commute to work (3mi) the bike still cmes out ahead. But I am not going to able to bike to Europe.

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                              @maccruiskeen @Two9A @KingmaYpe Riding your bike to Europe will come out ahead too, even if you only ride the bits that are on land.

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                              • two9a@hachyderm.ioT two9a@hachyderm.io

                                It's #WorldBicycleDay and a good time to mention this graph from Scientific American, first published in 1973, and updated 2025.

                                A person on a bike is the world's most energy-efficient mode of transport, and it's not even close. Salmon use three times as many joules/g/km to get around, and then it's jet aircraft at 5x.

                                #BikeTooter #Climate

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                                Bicycles are the best on land, but nothing beats a sailboat for moving along without any effort.

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