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Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 05 - 20 Feb - Genève - Coppet - Divonne - Crassier - Nyon - Paris

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  • moof@cupoftea.socialM moof@cupoftea.social

    @jon It’s interesting that the only named competition here is Trenitalia, when there is also competition from DB, Eurostar, and checks notes Renfe who also run refurbished and life-prolonged 1980s-1990s era TGVs

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    @moof @jon But DB is under cooperation, right? And Eurostar is partially owned by SNCF.

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    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

      Damn this exceptionalism in France

      “"C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains”

      Errr EVERY railway does this to some extent!

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      "C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains

      BFM Business a eu l'occasion de visiter le technicentre du Landy, près de Paris, où des TGV en fin de vie, normalement voués à la casse, sont remis à niveau pour être utilisés encore plusieurs années en toute sécurité. Globalement, la compagnie va prolonger la vie de 104 rames, pour 600 millions...

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      @jon Yes but nobody else is refurbishing that many *TGVs by Alstom*. Checkmate!

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      • bovine3dom@masto.aiB bovine3dom@masto.ai

        @jon maybe they meant they were the only railway who managed to find the political space to reduce their fleet of high speed trains by 15% without anyone complaining too much

        particularly mad when it's such a pedestrian refurb. trenitalia managed to take its old high speed locomotives and reuse them for InterCity service

        when's the SNCF going to solve its locomotive shortage for night trains by converting some old TGVs?

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        @bovine3dom @jon SNCF is **also** downsizing the fleet of old-school locomotives. Classes 26000 and a slew of nez cassés are being scrapped. Only 22200 are, for some reason, spared from the crusher (possibly because some are TVM capable?)

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        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

          Damn this exceptionalism in France

          “"C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains”

          Errr EVERY railway does this to some extent!

          Link Preview Image
          "C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains

          BFM Business a eu l'occasion de visiter le technicentre du Landy, près de Paris, où des TGV en fin de vie, normalement voués à la casse, sont remis à niveau pour être utilisés encore plusieurs années en toute sécurité. Globalement, la compagnie va prolonger la vie de 104 rames, pour 600 millions...

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          @jon my french is a bit rusty, do they need to refurbish their because of a need for croissants? 🥐😜

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          • R remi@urbanists.social

            @bovine3dom @jon SNCF is **also** downsizing the fleet of old-school locomotives. Classes 26000 and a slew of nez cassés are being scrapped. Only 22200 are, for some reason, spared from the crusher (possibly because some are TVM capable?)

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            @remi c'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire

            @jon

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            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

              For example: Here’s Germany extending the life of its oldest ICEs by 10 years

              https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.deutsche-bahn-die-ice-1-flotte-soll-noch-bis-2036-fahren.ea6eb83e-8246-425b-99f7-7009d6d14690.html

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              #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Bike 4 of 14
              Coppet - Divonne - Crassier - Nyon

              Distance: 16.7km
              Est. duration: 1:15

              This bike route, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#13/46.199875/6.146772

              Not a good start. Broke the Birdy travel cover and had to repair a brake cable…

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              • smveerman@zug.networkS smveerman@zug.network

                @moof @jon For France it is a revolution this taking only 7 weeks. An average overhaul of a Thalys trainset seems to be taking 7 months 🫠

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                @smveerman @moof Haaaa.

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                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                  #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Bike 4 of 14
                  Coppet - Divonne - Crassier - Nyon

                  Distance: 16.7km
                  Est. duration: 1:15

                  This bike route, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#13/46.199875/6.146772

                  Not a good start. Broke the Birdy travel cover and had to repair a brake cable…

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                  @jon Ach verflixt: so etwas ist immer ärgerlich unterwegs. Pannenfreie Weiterfahrt!

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                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                    #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Bike 4 of 14
                    Coppet - Divonne - Crassier - Nyon

                    Distance: 16.7km
                    Est. duration: 1:15

                    This bike route, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#13/46.199875/6.146772

                    Not a good start. Broke the Birdy travel cover and had to repair a brake cable…

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                    #20

                    First time I’ve had a vineyard block the route of a former #CrossBorderRail line I think 😀

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                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                      First time I’ve had a vineyard block the route of a former #CrossBorderRail line I think 😀

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                      @jon okay that one’s never coming back

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                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                        For example: Here’s Germany extending the life of its oldest ICEs by 10 years

                        https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.deutsche-bahn-die-ice-1-flotte-soll-noch-bis-2036-fahren.ea6eb83e-8246-425b-99f7-7009d6d14690.html

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                        @jon And NS in The Netherlands
                        https://nieuws.ns.nl/ns-investeert-opnieuw-in-het-moderniseren-van-dubbeldekkers/

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                        • cycling_on_rails@mastodon.socialC cycling_on_rails@mastodon.social

                          @jon Yes but nobody else is refurbishing that many *TGVs by Alstom*. Checkmate!

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                          @cycling_on_rails @jon They’re the only state-owned French railway in the world that does it!

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                          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                            First time I’ve had a vineyard block the route of a former #CrossBorderRail line I think 😀

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                            @jon I think someone told someone else to “stop whining about that rail connection” and that dyslexic someone else decided to double down and commit to the bit

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                            • bovine3dom@masto.aiB bovine3dom@masto.ai

                              @jon maybe they meant they were the only railway who managed to find the political space to reduce their fleet of high speed trains by 15% without anyone complaining too much

                              particularly mad when it's such a pedestrian refurb. trenitalia managed to take its old high speed locomotives and reuse them for InterCity service

                              when's the SNCF going to solve its locomotive shortage for night trains by converting some old TGVs?

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                              @bovine3dom @jon You know, some old TGVs doing the Paris-Tolouse run would be awesome.

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                              • moof@cupoftea.socialM moof@cupoftea.social

                                @bovine3dom @jon You know, some old TGVs doing the Paris-Tolouse run would be awesome.

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                                @moof isn't that what already happens?

                                it's one of the lines that i am going to cut once appointed imperial ruler sncf voyageurs

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                                • bovine3dom@masto.aiB bovine3dom@masto.ai

                                  @moof isn't that what already happens?

                                  it's one of the lines that i am going to cut once appointed imperial ruler sncf voyageurs

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                                  @bovine3dom Last I did the Toulouse-Paris run (May 2025) was on old IC Coradias, though admittedly I was looking to stop at smaller towns there, such as Brive-la-Gaillard.

                                  That being said, I apparently did a Tolouse-Narbonne on a TGV in August 2019, on the Tolouse-Lyon run which only does high speed for about 40 mins from Nîmes

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                                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                    Damn this exceptionalism in France

                                    “"C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains”

                                    Errr EVERY railway does this to some extent!

                                    Link Preview Image
                                    "C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains

                                    BFM Business a eu l'occasion de visiter le technicentre du Landy, près de Paris, où des TGV en fin de vie, normalement voués à la casse, sont remis à niveau pour être utilisés encore plusieurs années en toute sécurité. Globalement, la compagnie va prolonger la vie de 104 rames, pour 600 millions...

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                                    @jon there was an article a few years back comparing the French Sybic locomotives to the Swiss Re 460, one was being refreshed with new electronics to improve efficiency, the other scrapped. Guess which one was scrapped.
                                    I would claim the most impressive refurbishing was the BLS Jumbo B carriages.

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                                    • moof@cupoftea.socialM moof@cupoftea.social

                                      @bovine3dom Last I did the Toulouse-Paris run (May 2025) was on old IC Coradias, though admittedly I was looking to stop at smaller towns there, such as Brive-la-Gaillard.

                                      That being said, I apparently did a Tolouse-Narbonne on a TGV in August 2019, on the Tolouse-Lyon run which only does high speed for about 40 mins from Nîmes

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                                      @moof corail not coradia, coradia are the new ones 👀

                                      imo the TGVs on these slow routes should be replaced with frequent TERs. then you can run many more passenger-km on the bits where TGVs are actually useful

                                      an unpopular opinion in France because the SNCF has trained french people that connections between trains don't work

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                                      • oschonrock@mastodon.socialO oschonrock@mastodon.social

                                        @jon

                                        I would file that under relatively harmless self delusion. Very common in France.

                                        Germany is much better at senseless self criticism. Maybe more honest, but often miserable to the point of being damaging?

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                                        @oschonrock @jon its not harmless, it’s quite costly: https://wiesmann.codiferes.net/wordpress/archives/34841

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                                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                          #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Bike 4 of 14
                                          Coppet - Divonne - Crassier - Nyon

                                          Distance: 16.7km
                                          Est. duration: 1:15

                                          This bike route, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#13/46.199875/6.146772

                                          Not a good start. Broke the Birdy travel cover and had to repair a brake cable…

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                                          @jon
                                          I‘ll fix it on the weekend.

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