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Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 05 - 20 Feb - Genève - Coppet - Divonne - Crassier - Nyon - Paris

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  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

    Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 05 - 20 Feb - Genève - Coppet - Divonne - Crassier - Nyon - Paris

    New borders:
    Crassier-La Rippe 🇨🇭 - Divonne-les-Bains 🇫🇷

    Borders already crossed:
    Russin 🇨🇭 - Pougny-Chancy 🇫🇷

    A former cross border railway line at Divonne les Bains – and oddly it looks to be more intact in France than in Switzerland. I wonder if there is any way to re-activate it? Then back to Paris on a Lyria.

    Today's routes on the routes map:
    https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#8/47.489406/4.305239

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    Today’s #CrossBorderRail I’m doing the opposite way to how I first planned it. Nyon - Divonne - Coppet. The data and mapping will have to wait!

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    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

      Today’s #CrossBorderRail I’m doing the opposite way to how I first planned it. Nyon - Divonne - Coppet. The data and mapping will have to wait!

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      Damn this exceptionalism in France

      “"C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains”

      Errr EVERY railway does this to some extent!

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      "C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains

      BFM Business a eu l'occasion de visiter le technicentre du Landy, près de Paris, où des TGV en fin de vie, normalement voués à la casse, sont remis à niveau pour être utilisés encore plusieurs années en toute sécurité. Globalement, la compagnie va prolonger la vie de 104 rames, pour 600 millions...

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      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

        Damn this exceptionalism in France

        “"C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains”

        Errr EVERY railway does this to some extent!

        Link Preview Image
        "C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains

        BFM Business a eu l'occasion de visiter le technicentre du Landy, près de Paris, où des TGV en fin de vie, normalement voués à la casse, sont remis à niveau pour être utilisés encore plusieurs années en toute sécurité. Globalement, la compagnie va prolonger la vie de 104 rames, pour 600 millions...

        favicon

        BFM BUSINESS (www.bfmtv.com)

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        #4

        For example: Here’s Germany extending the life of its oldest ICEs by 10 years

        https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.deutsche-bahn-die-ice-1-flotte-soll-noch-bis-2036-fahren.ea6eb83e-8246-425b-99f7-7009d6d14690.html

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        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

          Damn this exceptionalism in France

          “"C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains”

          Errr EVERY railway does this to some extent!

          Link Preview Image
          "C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains

          BFM Business a eu l'occasion de visiter le technicentre du Landy, près de Paris, où des TGV en fin de vie, normalement voués à la casse, sont remis à niveau pour être utilisés encore plusieurs années en toute sécurité. Globalement, la compagnie va prolonger la vie de 104 rames, pour 600 millions...

          favicon

          BFM BUSINESS (www.bfmtv.com)

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          @jon
          This thing where every country thinks their secret sauce is the best and no other country could possibly uggh

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          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

            Damn this exceptionalism in France

            “"C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains”

            Errr EVERY railway does this to some extent!

            Link Preview Image
            "C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains

            BFM Business a eu l'occasion de visiter le technicentre du Landy, près de Paris, où des TGV en fin de vie, normalement voués à la casse, sont remis à niveau pour être utilisés encore plusieurs années en toute sécurité. Globalement, la compagnie va prolonger la vie de 104 rames, pour 600 millions...

            favicon

            BFM BUSINESS (www.bfmtv.com)

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            @jon

            I would file that under relatively harmless self delusion. Very common in France.

            Germany is much better at senseless self criticism. Maybe more honest, but often miserable to the point of being damaging?

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            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

              Damn this exceptionalism in France

              “"C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains”

              Errr EVERY railway does this to some extent!

              Link Preview Image
              "C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains

              BFM Business a eu l'occasion de visiter le technicentre du Landy, près de Paris, où des TGV en fin de vie, normalement voués à la casse, sont remis à niveau pour être utilisés encore plusieurs années en toute sécurité. Globalement, la compagnie va prolonger la vie de 104 rames, pour 600 millions...

              favicon

              BFM BUSINESS (www.bfmtv.com)

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              @jon maybe they meant they were the only railway who managed to find the political space to reduce their fleet of high speed trains by 15% without anyone complaining too much

              particularly mad when it's such a pedestrian refurb. trenitalia managed to take its old high speed locomotives and reuse them for InterCity service

              when's the SNCF going to solve its locomotive shortage for night trains by converting some old TGVs?

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              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                Damn this exceptionalism in France

                “"C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains”

                Errr EVERY railway does this to some extent!

                Link Preview Image
                "C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains

                BFM Business a eu l'occasion de visiter le technicentre du Landy, près de Paris, où des TGV en fin de vie, normalement voués à la casse, sont remis à niveau pour être utilisés encore plusieurs années en toute sécurité. Globalement, la compagnie va prolonger la vie de 104 rames, pour 600 millions...

                favicon

                BFM BUSINESS (www.bfmtv.com)

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                @jon Sounds like 'Our new trains weren't ready in time and now we're fluffing the fact that we need to keep the old ones running for longer than they should.'
                (In the Dutch situation, the new trains also are hardly ready for use when they arrive on the tracks - looking at you, ICNG.)

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                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                  Damn this exceptionalism in France

                  “"C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains”

                  Errr EVERY railway does this to some extent!

                  Link Preview Image
                  "C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains

                  BFM Business a eu l'occasion de visiter le technicentre du Landy, près de Paris, où des TGV en fin de vie, normalement voués à la casse, sont remis à niveau pour être utilisés encore plusieurs années en toute sécurité. Globalement, la compagnie va prolonger la vie de 104 rames, pour 600 millions...

                  favicon

                  BFM BUSINESS (www.bfmtv.com)

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                  @jon It’s interesting that the only named competition here is Trenitalia, when there is also competition from DB, Eurostar, and checks notes Renfe who also run refurbished and life-prolonged 1980s-1990s era TGVs

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                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                    For example: Here’s Germany extending the life of its oldest ICEs by 10 years

                    https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.deutsche-bahn-die-ice-1-flotte-soll-noch-bis-2036-fahren.ea6eb83e-8246-425b-99f7-7009d6d14690.html

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                    @jon It's only an extension de vie if it happens in the Alstom region of France. Otherwise it's just sparkly Nutzungsdauerverlängerung.

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                    • moof@cupoftea.socialM moof@cupoftea.social

                      @jon It’s interesting that the only named competition here is Trenitalia, when there is also competition from DB, Eurostar, and checks notes Renfe who also run refurbished and life-prolonged 1980s-1990s era TGVs

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                      @moof @jon For France it is a revolution this taking only 7 weeks. An average overhaul of a Thalys trainset seems to be taking 7 months 🫠

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                      • moof@cupoftea.socialM moof@cupoftea.social

                        @jon It’s interesting that the only named competition here is Trenitalia, when there is also competition from DB, Eurostar, and checks notes Renfe who also run refurbished and life-prolonged 1980s-1990s era TGVs

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                        @moof @jon But DB is under cooperation, right? And Eurostar is partially owned by SNCF.

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                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                          Damn this exceptionalism in France

                          “"C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains”

                          Errr EVERY railway does this to some extent!

                          Link Preview Image
                          "C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains

                          BFM Business a eu l'occasion de visiter le technicentre du Landy, près de Paris, où des TGV en fin de vie, normalement voués à la casse, sont remis à niveau pour être utilisés encore plusieurs années en toute sécurité. Globalement, la compagnie va prolonger la vie de 104 rames, pour 600 millions...

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                          @jon Yes but nobody else is refurbishing that many *TGVs by Alstom*. Checkmate!

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                          • bovine3dom@masto.aiB bovine3dom@masto.ai

                            @jon maybe they meant they were the only railway who managed to find the political space to reduce their fleet of high speed trains by 15% without anyone complaining too much

                            particularly mad when it's such a pedestrian refurb. trenitalia managed to take its old high speed locomotives and reuse them for InterCity service

                            when's the SNCF going to solve its locomotive shortage for night trains by converting some old TGVs?

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                            @bovine3dom @jon SNCF is **also** downsizing the fleet of old-school locomotives. Classes 26000 and a slew of nez cassés are being scrapped. Only 22200 are, for some reason, spared from the crusher (possibly because some are TVM capable?)

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                            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                              Damn this exceptionalism in France

                              “"C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains”

                              Errr EVERY railway does this to some extent!

                              Link Preview Image
                              "C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains

                              BFM Business a eu l'occasion de visiter le technicentre du Landy, près de Paris, où des TGV en fin de vie, normalement voués à la casse, sont remis à niveau pour être utilisés encore plusieurs années en toute sécurité. Globalement, la compagnie va prolonger la vie de 104 rames, pour 600 millions...

                              favicon

                              BFM BUSINESS (www.bfmtv.com)

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                              @jon my french is a bit rusty, do they need to refurbish their because of a need for croissants? 🥐😜

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                              • R remi@urbanists.social

                                @bovine3dom @jon SNCF is **also** downsizing the fleet of old-school locomotives. Classes 26000 and a slew of nez cassés are being scrapped. Only 22200 are, for some reason, spared from the crusher (possibly because some are TVM capable?)

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                                @remi c'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire

                                @jon

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                                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                  For example: Here’s Germany extending the life of its oldest ICEs by 10 years

                                  https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.deutsche-bahn-die-ice-1-flotte-soll-noch-bis-2036-fahren.ea6eb83e-8246-425b-99f7-7009d6d14690.html

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                                  #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Bike 4 of 14
                                  Coppet - Divonne - Crassier - Nyon

                                  Distance: 16.7km
                                  Est. duration: 1:15

                                  This bike route, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#13/46.199875/6.146772

                                  Not a good start. Broke the Birdy travel cover and had to repair a brake cable…

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                                  • smveerman@zug.networkS smveerman@zug.network

                                    @moof @jon For France it is a revolution this taking only 7 weeks. An average overhaul of a Thalys trainset seems to be taking 7 months 🫠

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                                    @smveerman @moof Haaaa.

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                                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                      #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Bike 4 of 14
                                      Coppet - Divonne - Crassier - Nyon

                                      Distance: 16.7km
                                      Est. duration: 1:15

                                      This bike route, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#13/46.199875/6.146772

                                      Not a good start. Broke the Birdy travel cover and had to repair a brake cable…

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                                      @jon Ach verflixt: so etwas ist immer ärgerlich unterwegs. Pannenfreie Weiterfahrt!

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                                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                        #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Bike 4 of 14
                                        Coppet - Divonne - Crassier - Nyon

                                        Distance: 16.7km
                                        Est. duration: 1:15

                                        This bike route, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#13/46.199875/6.146772

                                        Not a good start. Broke the Birdy travel cover and had to repair a brake cable…

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                                        First time I’ve had a vineyard block the route of a former #CrossBorderRail line I think 😀

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                                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                          First time I’ve had a vineyard block the route of a former #CrossBorderRail line I think 😀

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                                          @jon okay that one’s never coming back

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