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Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 05 - 20 Feb - Genève - Coppet - Divonne - Crassier - Nyon - Paris

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  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

    Damn this exceptionalism in France

    “"C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains”

    Errr EVERY railway does this to some extent!

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    "C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains

    BFM Business a eu l'occasion de visiter le technicentre du Landy, près de Paris, où des TGV en fin de vie, normalement voués à la casse, sont remis à niveau pour être utilisés encore plusieurs années en toute sécurité. Globalement, la compagnie va prolonger la vie de 104 rames, pour 600 millions...

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    #13

    @jon Yes but nobody else is refurbishing that many *TGVs by Alstom*. Checkmate!

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    • bovine3dom@masto.aiB bovine3dom@masto.ai

      @jon maybe they meant they were the only railway who managed to find the political space to reduce their fleet of high speed trains by 15% without anyone complaining too much

      particularly mad when it's such a pedestrian refurb. trenitalia managed to take its old high speed locomotives and reuse them for InterCity service

      when's the SNCF going to solve its locomotive shortage for night trains by converting some old TGVs?

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      #14

      @bovine3dom @jon SNCF is **also** downsizing the fleet of old-school locomotives. Classes 26000 and a slew of nez cassés are being scrapped. Only 22200 are, for some reason, spared from the crusher (possibly because some are TVM capable?)

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      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

        Damn this exceptionalism in France

        “"C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains”

        Errr EVERY railway does this to some extent!

        Link Preview Image
        "C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains

        BFM Business a eu l'occasion de visiter le technicentre du Landy, près de Paris, où des TGV en fin de vie, normalement voués à la casse, sont remis à niveau pour être utilisés encore plusieurs années en toute sécurité. Globalement, la compagnie va prolonger la vie de 104 rames, pour 600 millions...

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        @jon my french is a bit rusty, do they need to refurbish their because of a need for croissants? 🥐😜

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        • R remi@urbanists.social

          @bovine3dom @jon SNCF is **also** downsizing the fleet of old-school locomotives. Classes 26000 and a slew of nez cassés are being scrapped. Only 22200 are, for some reason, spared from the crusher (possibly because some are TVM capable?)

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          @remi c'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire

          @jon

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          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

            For example: Here’s Germany extending the life of its oldest ICEs by 10 years

            https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.deutsche-bahn-die-ice-1-flotte-soll-noch-bis-2036-fahren.ea6eb83e-8246-425b-99f7-7009d6d14690.html

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            #17

            #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Bike 4 of 14
            Coppet - Divonne - Crassier - Nyon

            Distance: 16.7km
            Est. duration: 1:15

            This bike route, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#13/46.199875/6.146772

            Not a good start. Broke the Birdy travel cover and had to repair a brake cable…

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            • smveerman@zug.networkS smveerman@zug.network

              @moof @jon For France it is a revolution this taking only 7 weeks. An average overhaul of a Thalys trainset seems to be taking 7 months 🫠

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              @smveerman @moof Haaaa.

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              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Bike 4 of 14
                Coppet - Divonne - Crassier - Nyon

                Distance: 16.7km
                Est. duration: 1:15

                This bike route, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#13/46.199875/6.146772

                Not a good start. Broke the Birdy travel cover and had to repair a brake cable…

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                @jon Ach verflixt: so etwas ist immer ärgerlich unterwegs. Pannenfreie Weiterfahrt!

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                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                  #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Bike 4 of 14
                  Coppet - Divonne - Crassier - Nyon

                  Distance: 16.7km
                  Est. duration: 1:15

                  This bike route, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#13/46.199875/6.146772

                  Not a good start. Broke the Birdy travel cover and had to repair a brake cable…

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                  #20

                  First time I’ve had a vineyard block the route of a former #CrossBorderRail line I think 😀

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                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                    First time I’ve had a vineyard block the route of a former #CrossBorderRail line I think 😀

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                    #21

                    @jon okay that one’s never coming back

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                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                      For example: Here’s Germany extending the life of its oldest ICEs by 10 years

                      https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.deutsche-bahn-die-ice-1-flotte-soll-noch-bis-2036-fahren.ea6eb83e-8246-425b-99f7-7009d6d14690.html

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                      @jon And NS in The Netherlands
                      https://nieuws.ns.nl/ns-investeert-opnieuw-in-het-moderniseren-van-dubbeldekkers/

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                      • cycling_on_rails@mastodon.socialC cycling_on_rails@mastodon.social

                        @jon Yes but nobody else is refurbishing that many *TGVs by Alstom*. Checkmate!

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                        #23

                        @cycling_on_rails @jon They’re the only state-owned French railway in the world that does it!

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                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                          First time I’ve had a vineyard block the route of a former #CrossBorderRail line I think 😀

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                          #24

                          @jon I think someone told someone else to “stop whining about that rail connection” and that dyslexic someone else decided to double down and commit to the bit

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                          • bovine3dom@masto.aiB bovine3dom@masto.ai

                            @jon maybe they meant they were the only railway who managed to find the political space to reduce their fleet of high speed trains by 15% without anyone complaining too much

                            particularly mad when it's such a pedestrian refurb. trenitalia managed to take its old high speed locomotives and reuse them for InterCity service

                            when's the SNCF going to solve its locomotive shortage for night trains by converting some old TGVs?

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                            @bovine3dom @jon You know, some old TGVs doing the Paris-Tolouse run would be awesome.

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                            • moof@cupoftea.socialM moof@cupoftea.social

                              @bovine3dom @jon You know, some old TGVs doing the Paris-Tolouse run would be awesome.

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                              @moof isn't that what already happens?

                              it's one of the lines that i am going to cut once appointed imperial ruler sncf voyageurs

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                              Attached: 1 image @pglux.bsky.social@bsky.brid.gy @jon@gruene.social https://kepler.gl/demo/map?mapUrl=https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/scl/fi/jn4vntnpies84hiqhudu8/keplergl_z7wbkd9.json?rlkey=bmi0g2gqsmjg53e2dfezdft3g&dl=0 freshly made just for you :) if the sncf would like to use this my consulting fees are very reasonable. what's the opposite of "mates' rates"? "danger money"? 30% discount for new entrants like trenitalia

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                              • bovine3dom@masto.aiB bovine3dom@masto.ai

                                @moof isn't that what already happens?

                                it's one of the lines that i am going to cut once appointed imperial ruler sncf voyageurs

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                                Attached: 1 image @pglux.bsky.social@bsky.brid.gy @jon@gruene.social https://kepler.gl/demo/map?mapUrl=https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/scl/fi/jn4vntnpies84hiqhudu8/keplergl_z7wbkd9.json?rlkey=bmi0g2gqsmjg53e2dfezdft3g&dl=0 freshly made just for you :) if the sncf would like to use this my consulting fees are very reasonable. what's the opposite of "mates' rates"? "danger money"? 30% discount for new entrants like trenitalia

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                                @bovine3dom Last I did the Toulouse-Paris run (May 2025) was on old IC Coradias, though admittedly I was looking to stop at smaller towns there, such as Brive-la-Gaillard.

                                That being said, I apparently did a Tolouse-Narbonne on a TGV in August 2019, on the Tolouse-Lyon run which only does high speed for about 40 mins from Nîmes

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                                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                  Damn this exceptionalism in France

                                  “"C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains”

                                  Errr EVERY railway does this to some extent!

                                  Link Preview Image
                                  "C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains

                                  BFM Business a eu l'occasion de visiter le technicentre du Landy, près de Paris, où des TGV en fin de vie, normalement voués à la casse, sont remis à niveau pour être utilisés encore plusieurs années en toute sécurité. Globalement, la compagnie va prolonger la vie de 104 rames, pour 600 millions...

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                                  @jon there was an article a few years back comparing the French Sybic locomotives to the Swiss Re 460, one was being refreshed with new electronics to improve efficiency, the other scrapped. Guess which one was scrapped.
                                  I would claim the most impressive refurbishing was the BLS Jumbo B carriages.

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                                  • moof@cupoftea.socialM moof@cupoftea.social

                                    @bovine3dom Last I did the Toulouse-Paris run (May 2025) was on old IC Coradias, though admittedly I was looking to stop at smaller towns there, such as Brive-la-Gaillard.

                                    That being said, I apparently did a Tolouse-Narbonne on a TGV in August 2019, on the Tolouse-Lyon run which only does high speed for about 40 mins from Nîmes

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                                    @moof corail not coradia, coradia are the new ones 👀

                                    imo the TGVs on these slow routes should be replaced with frequent TERs. then you can run many more passenger-km on the bits where TGVs are actually useful

                                    an unpopular opinion in France because the SNCF has trained french people that connections between trains don't work

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                                    • oschonrock@mastodon.socialO oschonrock@mastodon.social

                                      @jon

                                      I would file that under relatively harmless self delusion. Very common in France.

                                      Germany is much better at senseless self criticism. Maybe more honest, but often miserable to the point of being damaging?

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                                      @oschonrock @jon its not harmless, it’s quite costly: https://wiesmann.codiferes.net/wordpress/archives/34841

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                                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                        #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Bike 4 of 14
                                        Coppet - Divonne - Crassier - Nyon

                                        Distance: 16.7km
                                        Est. duration: 1:15

                                        This bike route, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#13/46.199875/6.146772

                                        Not a good start. Broke the Birdy travel cover and had to repair a brake cable…

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                                        #31

                                        @jon
                                        I‘ll fix it on the weekend.

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                                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                          Damn this exceptionalism in France

                                          “"C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains”

                                          Errr EVERY railway does this to some extent!

                                          Link Preview Image
                                          "C'est unique au monde, nous sommes les seuls à pouvoir le faire": comment la SNCF prolonge la vie de ses TGV afin de répondre au besoin croissant de trains

                                          BFM Business a eu l'occasion de visiter le technicentre du Landy, près de Paris, où des TGV en fin de vie, normalement voués à la casse, sont remis à niveau pour être utilisés encore plusieurs années en toute sécurité. Globalement, la compagnie va prolonger la vie de 104 rames, pour 600 millions...

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                                          @jon Meanwhile, in Scotland:

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