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Fedi Hive Mind - What should software free of AI be labeled?

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  • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

    @AimeeMaroux

    Something like this? Excuse the sloppy production, just to showcase the idea.

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    @mastodonmigration @AimeeMaroux Keep it simple. Thinner red lines.

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    • lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.orgL lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org

      @mastodonmigration @AimeeMaroux Keep it simple. Thinner red lines.

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      @lauren @AimeeMaroux

      💯 Yeah, not a graphic artist at all. This is just to get the concept out. If anyone with some skill wants to jump in that would be great.

      Edit: Perhaps we could ask Claude to generate one? /s

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      • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

        @lauren @AimeeMaroux

        💯 Yeah, not a graphic artist at all. This is just to get the concept out. If anyone with some skill wants to jump in that would be great.

        Edit: Perhaps we could ask Claude to generate one? /s

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        #48

        @mastodonmigration @lauren @AimeeMaroux Simple is effective. This works.

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        • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

          Fedi Hive Mind - What should software free of AI be labeled?

          A decision by @Blender to take money from Anthopic, and a policy by @redox to ban all LLM generated code spotlights the question.

          Other industries have used badging like Sugar Free, Low Tar, Alcohol Free, 100% Cotton, and Organic.

          What's a good label for code that is certified free of any LLM generated code?

          So far suggestions include: AI Free, Organic Code, Not By AI, LLM Free, 100% Human, No LLM, No AI

          Thoughts? Ideas?

          #AI

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          #49

          @mastodonmigration @Blender @redox

          “AI Free” seems the clearest to me.

          “No AI” kind of sounds like you just don’t like AI.

          I would suggest simplicity and clarity, and not get too clever, but I realize I’m on Mastodon and talking to free software folks.

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          • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

            Fedi Hive Mind - What should software free of AI be labeled?

            A decision by @Blender to take money from Anthopic, and a policy by @redox to ban all LLM generated code spotlights the question.

            Other industries have used badging like Sugar Free, Low Tar, Alcohol Free, 100% Cotton, and Organic.

            What's a good label for code that is certified free of any LLM generated code?

            So far suggestions include: AI Free, Organic Code, Not By AI, LLM Free, 100% Human, No LLM, No AI

            Thoughts? Ideas?

            #AI

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            @mastodonmigration @Blender @redox
            In the spirit of brainstorming:
            -OriginalAI (Actual Intelligence)
            -Made with Biodegradable Developers
            -Analog Developed
            -Lovingly Handcoded

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            • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

              @viennawriter @Carl_Gylling

              "Human Certified"

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              #51

              @mastodonmigration @viennawriter I don't like anything with "human" in it though, because it isn't a matter of species. For the moment, we know no other species that writes code, makes music etc, but if we encounter one that does, their creations are equally valid. (Yes, also if it's a robot like the ones in sci fi, I think.) It's about how it was made and not by whom. That said, a hand is also a bit human-centric.

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              • carl_gylling@mastodon.nuC carl_gylling@mastodon.nu

                @mastodonmigration @viennawriter I don't like anything with "human" in it though, because it isn't a matter of species. For the moment, we know no other species that writes code, makes music etc, but if we encounter one that does, their creations are equally valid. (Yes, also if it's a robot like the ones in sci fi, I think.) It's about how it was made and not by whom. That said, a hand is also a bit human-centric.

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                #52

                @Carl_Gylling @viennawriter

                After sitting with it a while, agree. It feels like "human" has kind of a yuck factor used in this context. Leaning toward "AI Free" or "GenAI Free"

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                • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

                  @Carl_Gylling @viennawriter

                  After sitting with it a while, agree. It feels like "human" has kind of a yuck factor used in this context. Leaning toward "AI Free" or "GenAI Free"

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                  #53

                  @Carl_Gylling @viennawriter

                  Latest work in progress....

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                  • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

                    @AimeeMaroux

                    Just fooling around with it now...

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                    #54

                    @mastodonmigration Putting the 'human made' inside the circle is confusing. Looks almost like it's banning human-made. Perhaps that text should be outside the circle? Things in the circle are banned!

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                    • pre@boing.worldP pre@boing.world

                      @mastodonmigration Putting the 'human made' inside the circle is confusing. Looks almost like it's banning human-made. Perhaps that text should be outside the circle? Things in the circle are banned!

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                      #55

                      @pre @mastodonmigration You need two logos, certified human, and certified AI free.

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                      • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

                        First rule of brainstorming is that there are no bad ideas, and the second rule is no disparaging anyone's contributions.

                        If you read down here you may find suggestions that are half formed, but may lead your thoughts in a new direction. That's the process. We are all friends here. Let's noodle this one together.

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                        #56

                        OK team, what do we think of this?

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                        • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

                          OK team, what do we think of this?

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                          @mastodonmigration I still don't like the word "GenAI" in there. After the logo above clearly says "no AI", the text saying "GenAI" suggests weasel-wording to the effect of "there might be some other sort of AI in here that we're not telling you about".

                          To a normie audience, the scope of "GenAI" isn't clear. They might think it just means slop that originated from a small prompt, not "paraphrasing", "grammar correction", "summarization", "style change", "visual filters", "resolution enhancement", etc. that are all technically "generative" (confabulating bullshit details out of the statistical models) but which normies don't necessarily think of as such.

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                          • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                            @mastodonmigration I still don't like the word "GenAI" in there. After the logo above clearly says "no AI", the text saying "GenAI" suggests weasel-wording to the effect of "there might be some other sort of AI in here that we're not telling you about".

                            To a normie audience, the scope of "GenAI" isn't clear. They might think it just means slop that originated from a small prompt, not "paraphrasing", "grammar correction", "summarization", "style change", "visual filters", "resolution enhancement", etc. that are all technically "generative" (confabulating bullshit details out of the statistical models) but which normies don't necessarily think of as such.

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                            @dalias

                            Good points. Thanks.

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                            • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

                              First rule of brainstorming is that there are no bad ideas, and the second rule is no disparaging anyone's contributions.

                              If you read down here you may find suggestions that are half formed, but may lead your thoughts in a new direction. That's the process. We are all friends here. Let's noodle this one together.

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                              #59
                              I would like to disparage the bad idea that whether or not your code is slop should be represented by a trade industry style advertising campaign
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                              • khm@hj.9fs.netK khm@hj.9fs.net
                                I would like to disparage the bad idea that whether or not your code is slop should be represented by a trade industry style advertising campaign
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                                #60

                                @khm

                                Why? Curious about your thinking here?

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                                • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

                                  Fedi Hive Mind - What should software free of AI be labeled?

                                  A decision by @Blender to take money from Anthopic, and a policy by @redox to ban all LLM generated code spotlights the question.

                                  Other industries have used badging like Sugar Free, Low Tar, Alcohol Free, 100% Cotton, and Organic.

                                  What's a good label for code that is certified free of any LLM generated code?

                                  So far suggestions include: AI Free, Organic Code, Not By AI, LLM Free, 100% Human, No LLM, No AI

                                  Thoughts? Ideas?

                                  #AI

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                                  Ethical.

                                  CC: @Blender@mastodon.social @redox@floss.social
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                                    @Z_Zed_Zed @dalias

                                    Generally agree. Trying to find the right words. "Human Made" and "LLM Free" have been suggested, but somehow seem clunky.

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                                    • ori@hj.9fs.netO ori@hj.9fs.net
                                      Ethical.

                                      CC: @Blender@mastodon.social @redox@floss.social
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                                      @ori @Blender @redox

                                      Interesting. Good contribution.

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                                      • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

                                        @Z_Zed_Zed @dalias

                                        Generally agree. Trying to find the right words. "Human Made" and "LLM Free" have been suggested, but somehow seem clunky.

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                                        @mastodonmigration @Z_Zed_Zed "LLM" does not encompass slop models that are not in the domain of language. Like all of the imagery/video stuff.

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                                        • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                                          @mastodonmigration @Z_Zed_Zed "LLM" does not encompass slop models that are not in the domain of language. Like all of the imagery/video stuff.

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                                          @mastodonmigration @Z_Zed_Zed The *only* term that encompasses the whole humanity-hostile political program marketed as "AI" is "AI".

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