At this point I am beyond convinced that everyone talking about filter bubbles and echo chambers is simply concern trolling and is following some nefarious agenda
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@schratze especially when using those terms to apply to situation where people actively or intentionally curate their experience
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@schratze There's a pretty strong and visible filter bubble effect on fedi. Like, there's a shitload of Linux
and IRL they're less than 1% of computer users and less than 0.1% of people in general. I have for years been wondering why MS/Windows developers don't exist in most online spaces. I'd have an easier time finding a Haiku than a Windows dev here.And the same applies to politics. The very few auth-right visible here are trolls, because we block all their instances.
@schratze Not all of those are Nazis; I'd guess less than 1/3 of auth-right are actually white supremacist christfuckers. The rest are just your old relatives who tell racist jokes on f*c*book, or that guy who hasn't left the farm in 20 years, thinks Taco Bell is illegal immigrants.
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@schratze That's what I'm pointing at, they're not fascists, just further in that direction. If you filter bubble, you'll never hear the less-shitty ideas they have about not blowing all tax money.
And they don't see any contradiction to their views, never see a single black or gay person treated respectfully. So the filter gets stronger and they get pushed further right.
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"but isn't excluding nazi instances the definition of a creating an information bubble"
Yeah just like keeping out the Sarin gas from where people live is creating a breathable air bubble. What is your point
@schratze Yes, this. I don't need to engage with right-wingers and assorted other wronguns here. Their opinions are already everywhere (and affect everything) around me in this society, and drown out perspectives that I'd be less likely to hear if I wasn't insulated on a well-moderated instance.
More signal & less noise seems like the opposite of a problem to me.
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"but isn't excluding nazi instances the definition of a creating an information bubble"
Yeah just like keeping out the Sarin gas from where people live is creating a breathable air bubble. What is your point
@schratze at this point it feels like in most cases even if you ignore the contents of whatever take they're trying to express, just by using specific phrases like "echo chamber" "shoving [x] down my throat" "touting/evangelism" "thought police", they out themselves as someone who is very likely to have shitty takes
it's just an instant "okay I see where this is going"
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@GustavinoBevilacqua @NicholasLaney@nebbia.fail @jens @rune @oklomsy @schratze informazioni Bubbles are necessary ti avoid overwhelming . The point Is Who define the Bubble where you are confined
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@matrixsasuke @schratze so you're saying we must listen to fascists or they will spill our blood? I don't think those are the only two options, no. They can shut the hell up or we'd punch their faces. Those are two more options.
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@alexisvl@cathode.church @schratze which is clearly why they're never happy with Parler, Truth Social, or whatever else. They don't want to speak freely to a bunch of people who agree, they want to tie everyone else up and force them to listen.
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@schratze I fucking love filters and I Will die on this hill
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"but isn't excluding nazi instances the definition of a creating an information bubble"
Yeah just like keeping out the Sarin gas from where people live is creating a breathable air bubble. What is your point
@schratze Nazis don't provide information anyway. They provide noise. They "flood the zone with shit," in their (Bannon's) own words. It's kind of definitional to Nazis, really. And noise, obviously, effectively cancels out information - it drowns it out. So, yeah. "Information bubble."
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@schratze Nazis don't provide information anyway. They provide noise. They "flood the zone with shit," in their (Bannon's) own words. It's kind of definitional to Nazis, really. And noise, obviously, effectively cancels out information - it drowns it out. So, yeah. "Information bubble."
@anotherfriggindave @schratze Plesse use CWs.
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@anotherfriggindave @schratze Plesse use CWs.
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@anotherfriggindave @schratze Hm, I have good resources in German, but nothing in English. I quickly googled something. Maybe that is useful?
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@matrixsasuke @schratze yeah, I get that's what you're saying. That's why I'm done talking to you. You want to talk with Nazis, go right ahead. You'll both be banned on my instance.
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@matrixsasuke @schratze aaaaand you're blocked.
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@NicholasLaney@nebbia.fail appiddaveru
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"but isn't excluding nazi instances the definition of a creating an information bubble"
Yeah just like keeping out the Sarin gas from where people live is creating a breathable air bubble. What is your point
@schratze Yep. It also goes together with "if you defederate / block me, you are attacking my free speech" as if free speech meant absolute right to be listened to.
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@schratze Yep. It also goes together with "if you defederate / block me, you are attacking my free speech" as if free speech meant absolute right to be listened to.
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"but isn't excluding nazi instances the definition of a creating an information bubble"
Yeah just like keeping out the Sarin gas from where people live is creating a breathable air bubble. What is your point
@schratze let the Nazis breathe in their own cyanide
