California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
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@davidculley I know. I am against the "age verification", which is just ID verification and a way for governments and big tech to spy.
However, the birthDate field in userdb could be a great step towards centralised parental control settings in Linux, which could be a good thing.
Which is why I am not opposed to this change in systemd, but don't like the reasoning.
But if parents could set an age on their childs Linux account on their home PC and it would work everywhere, do something like turn off chat in online games and block porn, then that is a good thing. In my opinion.@chefx@defcon.social Sure, companies like IBM (Red Hat) and Meta want only the best for your children. It's not like IBM already enabled a genocide in the 1940s with "just a column in a database". Oh, wait, that *is* what IBM did. Read the book "IBM and the Holocaust".
You aren't against surveillance if you are too naive to recognize it and, worse, if you even defend it when it spits in your face. I gave you a second chance instead of outright blocking you because you are exactly the type of person that needs to see these critical comments and not be cut off from seeing them, but I'm not here to argue with you.
I now block you as I warned you.
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@davidculley They just added a birthDate field to userdb. So it is now possible to add a birth date to user accounts on systems using systemd. And you call this fascism? Did I miss something?
@chefx@defcon.social And in the 1940s, IBM just collected the religion of some folks.
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@drwho @davidculley And he’ll block anyone for suggesting it should be removed.
@schrotthaufen @davidculley Yep. Which I believe has already happened several times.
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California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
Too bad the systemd developers already complied with fascism in advance before the bills were even finalized.
Will Lennart Poettering and his followers now please remove the birthDate field from systemd?
P.S.: If you reply with any variation of "You need to calm down," I will block you.
Colorado and California age verification bills exempt open source operating systems
Remember all the ruckus with various US states introducing operating-system level age verification laws? Colorado and California thankfully exempt open source.
GamingOnLinux (www.gamingonlinux.com)
@davidculley as predicted, alpine would ultimately have to do nothing. so we did nothing.
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@LukefromDC Yes. And when IBM was confronted about their dark past and their role in enabling genocide and fascism, IBM infamously said "We are not historians". Meaning, "Let the past be the past." They wish.
IBM acquired Red Hat in 2018 and that's why you can't trust anything developed by Red Hat.
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@LukefromDC @davidculley oh I'm absolutely not trying to defend the original law. I just don't understand why they decided to make a copout for open source specifically, and I also think it's difficult to even put a strict definition of what exactly is an open source OS and when exactly software stops being a part of the OS, especially for Linux/similar
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@LukefromDC Yes. And when IBM was confronted about their dark past and their role in enabling genocide and fascism, IBM infamously said "We are not historians". Meaning, "Let the past be the past." They wish.
IBM acquired Red Hat in 2018 and that's why you can't trust anything developed by Red Hat.
And redhat recently released an ad for something military they do pr provide, involving "expand the kill zone" or to similar literal meaning. I saved it, cannot find it.
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@davidculley I know. I am against the "age verification", which is just ID verification and a way for governments and big tech to spy.
However, the birthDate field in userdb could be a great step towards centralised parental control settings in Linux, which could be a good thing.
Which is why I am not opposed to this change in systemd, but don't like the reasoning.
But if parents could set an age on their childs Linux account on their home PC and it would work everywhere, do something like turn off chat in online games and block porn, then that is a good thing. In my opinion.@chefx @davidculley Yes, you did miss something.
ChefExperte (@chefx@defcon.social)
@davidculley@hachyderm.io They just added a birthDate field to userdb. So it is now possible to add a birth date to user accounts on systems using systemd. And you call this fascism? Did I miss something?
DEF CON Social (defcon.social)
There's already a mechanism for that in linux, and it's called groups. Groups as a concept predate unix; support was added around v4.
So go and re-read the original post to find out why you were reasonably blocked by the OP.
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@chefx@defcon.social Sure, companies like IBM (Red Hat) and Meta want only the best for your children. It's not like IBM already enabled a genocide in the 1940s with "just a column in a database". Oh, wait, that *is* what IBM did. Read the book "IBM and the Holocaust".
You aren't against surveillance if you are too naive to recognize it and, worse, if you even defend it when it spits in your face. I gave you a second chance instead of outright blocking you because you are exactly the type of person that needs to see these critical comments and not be cut off from seeing them, but I'm not here to argue with you.
I now block you as I warned you.
@davidculley gotta love how the dudes with no kids both don't understand how kids work, and care deeply for their "safety".
My kids are already getting around the under-16's ban here in Australia, no problems, and no help from me.
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California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
Too bad the systemd developers already complied with fascism in advance before the bills were even finalized.
Will Lennart Poettering and his followers now please remove the birthDate field from systemd?
P.S.: If you reply with any variation of "You need to calm down," I will block you.
Colorado and California age verification bills exempt open source operating systems
Remember all the ruckus with various US states introducing operating-system level age verification laws? Colorado and California thankfully exempt open source.
GamingOnLinux (www.gamingonlinux.com)
@davidculley
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@drwho Yes, the last I read was them saying, the birthDate field shouldn't be in systemd, it should be in the *kernel*.
@drwho @davidculley what drugs are they on? I want to avoid those at any cost…
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@davidculley
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@jaystephens Unfortunately it doesn't seem like there's any sort of understanding or course correction on the side of the systemd developers. After all, systemd is developed by IBM (Red Hat belongs to IBM since 2018) and Meta employees, among others. Do you expect any sort of moral backbone from people working for the worst companies?
Personally I will switch to a Linux distribution that doesn't contain an entire middleware layer (systemd) developed in large parts by the same company (IBM owns Red Hat) that already powered the Holocaust.
David Culley (@davidculley@hachyderm.io)
⬆️ For context: I don't want surveillance in my operating system, which means systemd is not for me. Unfortunately almost every Linux distribution requires systemd. I thus spent some time learning about the lesser-known Linux distributions and specifically looking for Linux distributions that don't require systemd. That's how I became interested in Gentoo, Alpine, or Chimera as my new operating system. They run OpenRC or Dinit as the initial process, instead of systemd. As a current macOS user, this is all still new to me, and there's an overwhelming amount I have to learn in addition to this (e.g. how BTRFS works, how to configure the initramfs image generator, how to configure the bootloader GRUB, disk encryption with LUKS, the Logical Volume Manager, the device mapper framework, and so much more), but I'm eager to learn and I have learned a good chunk already (by reading the Arch wiki). #Linux #surveillance #AgeVerification
Hachyderm.io (hachyderm.io)
@davidculley @jaystephens check out void linux also
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California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
Too bad the systemd developers already complied with fascism in advance before the bills were even finalized.
Will Lennart Poettering and his followers now please remove the birthDate field from systemd?
P.S.: If you reply with any variation of "You need to calm down," I will block you.
Colorado and California age verification bills exempt open source operating systems
Remember all the ruckus with various US states introducing operating-system level age verification laws? Colorado and California thankfully exempt open source.
GamingOnLinux (www.gamingonlinux.com)
@davidculley No, they won't. The useful bootlicker idiot named Dylan M. Taylor have already done his part.
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@chefx @davidculley Yes, you did miss something.
ChefExperte (@chefx@defcon.social)
@davidculley@hachyderm.io They just added a birthDate field to userdb. So it is now possible to add a birth date to user accounts on systems using systemd. And you call this fascism? Did I miss something?
DEF CON Social (defcon.social)
There's already a mechanism for that in linux, and it's called groups. Groups as a concept predate unix; support was added around v4.
So go and re-read the original post to find out why you were reasonably blocked by the OP.
@harmoniousanger @davidculley You mind explaining how groups solve that problem?
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@davidculley gotta love how the dudes with no kids both don't understand how kids work, and care deeply for their "safety".
My kids are already getting around the under-16's ban here in Australia, no problems, and no help from me.
@sortius @davidculley I don't know if that's news to you, but I was a child as well, so I know that. These tools cannot replace good parenting, but they can help. Is that too complicated for you?
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@LukefromDC @davidculley You mean like every single person who takes a look at the public source code? Is that the new conspiracy theory ?
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@davidculley gotta love how the dudes with no kids both don't understand how kids work, and care deeply for their "safety".
My kids are already getting around the under-16's ban here in Australia, no problems, and no help from me.
@sortius @davidculley I basically don't want 'the govt' to tell me how to do parenting, esp after the release of Epstein Files (which pretty much named politicians from all over the world) so facial verification, digital ids are a 'very bad idea' !
This whole moral policing business happening worldwide is pretty much an indicator that this is 'bad business'
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@chefx @davidculley Yes, you did miss something.
ChefExperte (@chefx@defcon.social)
@davidculley@hachyderm.io They just added a birthDate field to userdb. So it is now possible to add a birth date to user accounts on systems using systemd. And you call this fascism? Did I miss something?
DEF CON Social (defcon.social)
There's already a mechanism for that in linux, and it's called groups. Groups as a concept predate unix; support was added around v4.
So go and re-read the original post to find out why you were reasonably blocked by the OP.
@harmoniousanger @davidculley Also, is "someone has a different opinion so I close my eyes and go 'lalala'" the new "reasonable"?
