California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
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@amd From the linked source:
> Considering SteamOS includes Valve's proprietary bits for the Steam client, this likely still applies to Valve and any hardware shipping with SteamOS including the Steam Deck, Steam Frame, Steam Machine and the Legion Go S.
@davidculley I see where Liam wrote that.
But I don’t understand where he got that idea.
The CA bill doesn’t seem to have a carve out for (paraphrasing the argument) ‘open source but includes proprietary bits’:
“(j) (1) “Operating system provider” means a person or entity that develops, licenses, or controls the operating system software on a computer, mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device.
(2) “Operating system provider” does not mean a person or entity that distributes an operating system or application under license terms that permit a recipient to copy, redistribute, and modify the software.“Steam will clearly need age verification…and already has it…but the OS doesn’t seem to need it.
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What? i hadn't heard about this. What an insane move!
@moriel Here they added it: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954
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@davidculley I see where Liam wrote that.
But I don’t understand where he got that idea.
The CA bill doesn’t seem to have a carve out for (paraphrasing the argument) ‘open source but includes proprietary bits’:
“(j) (1) “Operating system provider” means a person or entity that develops, licenses, or controls the operating system software on a computer, mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device.
(2) “Operating system provider” does not mean a person or entity that distributes an operating system or application under license terms that permit a recipient to copy, redistribute, and modify the software.“Steam will clearly need age verification…and already has it…but the OS doesn’t seem to need it.
@amd @davidculley I'm sure Valve is observing the issue closely and their lawyers are already working overtime on it. Will they go to court over it? Only if there's a chance they could win this argument. I'm no lawyer. And even lawyers can err on this. Or judges.
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@amd @davidculley I'm sure Valve is observing the issue closely and their lawyers are already working overtime on it. Will they go to court over it? Only if there's a chance they could win this argument. I'm no lawyer. And even lawyers can err on this. Or judges.
@fluchtkapsel @amd @davidculley I don't know about CO, but in CA's case, the law was signed as a hollow shell. It was framework meant to be made workable with amendments.
So now we have clarification on OSS projects, but I suppose SteamOS is still in a bit of a legal gray area.
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California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
Too bad the systemd developers already complied with fascism in advance before the bills were even finalized.
Will Lennart Poettering and his followers now please remove the birthDate field from systemd?
P.S.: If you reply with any variation of "You need to calm down," I will block you.
Colorado and California age verification bills exempt open source operating systems
Remember all the ruckus with various US states introducing operating-system level age verification laws? Colorado and California thankfully exempt open source.
GamingOnLinux (www.gamingonlinux.com)
@davidculley Let us know who you block so I can block them, too.
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California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
Too bad the systemd developers already complied with fascism in advance before the bills were even finalized.
Will Lennart Poettering and his followers now please remove the birthDate field from systemd?
P.S.: If you reply with any variation of "You need to calm down," I will block you.
Colorado and California age verification bills exempt open source operating systems
Remember all the ruckus with various US states introducing operating-system level age verification laws? Colorado and California thankfully exempt open source.
GamingOnLinux (www.gamingonlinux.com)
@davidculley
We need to do the opposite of calm down -
@davidculley He absolutely will not.
@drwho @davidculley And he’ll block anyone for suggesting it should be removed.
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California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
Too bad the systemd developers already complied with fascism in advance before the bills were even finalized.
Will Lennart Poettering and his followers now please remove the birthDate field from systemd?
P.S.: If you reply with any variation of "You need to calm down," I will block you.
Colorado and California age verification bills exempt open source operating systems
Remember all the ruckus with various US states introducing operating-system level age verification laws? Colorado and California thankfully exempt open source.
GamingOnLinux (www.gamingonlinux.com)
@davidculley You need to... spread the word !
I didn't know about systemd. Thank you !
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@davidculley Let us know who you block so I can block them, too.
@oberstenzian I blocked some of the people who replied to my previous comment about systemd.
David Culley (@davidculley@hachyderm.io)
⬆️ For context: I don't want surveillance in my operating system, which means systemd is not for me. Unfortunately almost every Linux distribution requires systemd. I thus spent some time learning about the lesser-known Linux distributions and specifically looking for Linux distributions that don't require systemd. That's how I became interested in Gentoo, Alpine, or Chimera as my new operating system. They run OpenRC or Dinit as the initial process, instead of systemd. As a current macOS user, this is all still new to me, and there's an overwhelming amount I have to learn in addition to this (e.g. how BTRFS works, how to configure the initramfs image generator, how to configure the bootloader GRUB, disk encryption with LUKS, the Logical Volume Manager, the device mapper framework, and so much more), but I'm eager to learn and I have learned a good chunk already (by reading the Arch wiki). #Linux #surveillance #AgeVerification
Hachyderm.io (hachyderm.io)
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California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
Too bad the systemd developers already complied with fascism in advance before the bills were even finalized.
Will Lennart Poettering and his followers now please remove the birthDate field from systemd?
P.S.: If you reply with any variation of "You need to calm down," I will block you.
Colorado and California age verification bills exempt open source operating systems
Remember all the ruckus with various US states introducing operating-system level age verification laws? Colorado and California thankfully exempt open source.
GamingOnLinux (www.gamingonlinux.com)
@davidculley They just added a birthDate field to userdb. So it is now possible to add a birth date to user accounts on systems using systemd. And you call this fascism? Did I miss something?
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California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
Too bad the systemd developers already complied with fascism in advance before the bills were even finalized.
Will Lennart Poettering and his followers now please remove the birthDate field from systemd?
P.S.: If you reply with any variation of "You need to calm down," I will block you.
Colorado and California age verification bills exempt open source operating systems
Remember all the ruckus with various US states introducing operating-system level age verification laws? Colorado and California thankfully exempt open source.
GamingOnLinux (www.gamingonlinux.com)
@davidculley that makes literally zero sense. What's the rationale behind this exactly? Why would the source code of an OS being publicly available or not have any bearing on the laws on how it should/shouldn't operate? And also - how do they even define an "open source OS". And at what point does software stop being a part of the operating system? Basically every distro ships proprietary firmware by default - does that count? Not that the original law made any sense anyway but this is like the stupidest way they could have tried to "fix" it
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@davidculley
We need to do the opposite of calm down@jaystephens Unfortunately it doesn't seem like there's any sort of understanding or course correction on the side of the systemd developers. After all, systemd is developed by IBM (Red Hat belongs to IBM since 2018) and Meta employees, among others. Do you expect any sort of moral backbone from people working for the worst companies?
Personally I will switch to a Linux distribution that doesn't contain an entire middleware layer (systemd) developed in large parts by the same company (IBM owns Red Hat) that already powered the Holocaust.
David Culley (@davidculley@hachyderm.io)
⬆️ For context: I don't want surveillance in my operating system, which means systemd is not for me. Unfortunately almost every Linux distribution requires systemd. I thus spent some time learning about the lesser-known Linux distributions and specifically looking for Linux distributions that don't require systemd. That's how I became interested in Gentoo, Alpine, or Chimera as my new operating system. They run OpenRC or Dinit as the initial process, instead of systemd. As a current macOS user, this is all still new to me, and there's an overwhelming amount I have to learn in addition to this (e.g. how BTRFS works, how to configure the initramfs image generator, how to configure the bootloader GRUB, disk encryption with LUKS, the Logical Volume Manager, the device mapper framework, and so much more), but I'm eager to learn and I have learned a good chunk already (by reading the Arch wiki). #Linux #surveillance #AgeVerification
Hachyderm.io (hachyderm.io)
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@davidculley They just added a birthDate field to userdb. So it is now possible to add a birth date to user accounts on systems using systemd. And you call this fascism? Did I miss something?
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California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
Too bad the systemd developers already complied with fascism in advance before the bills were even finalized.
Will Lennart Poettering and his followers now please remove the birthDate field from systemd?
P.S.: If you reply with any variation of "You need to calm down," I will block you.
Colorado and California age verification bills exempt open source operating systems
Remember all the ruckus with various US states introducing operating-system level age verification laws? Colorado and California thankfully exempt open source.
GamingOnLinux (www.gamingonlinux.com)
Em :official_verified: (@Em0nM4stodon@infosec.exchange)
The goal isn't to protect children, the goal is to de-anonymize every comment and action on the internet, associating it with a legal ID, by eventually requesting official identification from every adult using a computer. Some politicians have already stated this plainly. This leads to censorship of anyone criticizing their government. This leads to repression of marginalized people, especially immigrants, people of color, and trans and gender diverse people. This leads to self-censorship of any comments or actions that could be interpreted against the system. Such as speaking out against fascism and authoritarian surveillance, or defending human rights publicly. This leads to total control of the population and its tools of communications. This leads to the end of democracy, centralizing power even more in the hands of a few. Do not let them do this to us. #MassSurveillance #AgeVerification #Authoritarianism #HumanRights
Infosec Exchange (infosec.exchange)
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@davidculley I know. I am against the "age verification", which is just ID verification and a way for governments and big tech to spy.
However, the birthDate field in userdb could be a great step towards centralised parental control settings in Linux, which could be a good thing.
Which is why I am not opposed to this change in systemd, but don't like the reasoning.
But if parents could set an age on their childs Linux account on their home PC and it would work everywhere, do something like turn off chat in online games and block porn, then that is a good thing. In my opinion. -
@davidculley I know. I am against the "age verification", which is just ID verification and a way for governments and big tech to spy.
However, the birthDate field in userdb could be a great step towards centralised parental control settings in Linux, which could be a good thing.
Which is why I am not opposed to this change in systemd, but don't like the reasoning.
But if parents could set an age on their childs Linux account on their home PC and it would work everywhere, do something like turn off chat in online games and block porn, then that is a good thing. In my opinion.@chefx@defcon.social Sure, companies like IBM (Red Hat) and Meta want only the best for your children. It's not like IBM already enabled a genocide in the 1940s with "just a column in a database". Oh, wait, that *is* what IBM did. Read the book "IBM and the Holocaust".
You aren't against surveillance if you are too naive to recognize it and, worse, if you even defend it when it spits in your face. I gave you a second chance instead of outright blocking you because you are exactly the type of person that needs to see these critical comments and not be cut off from seeing them, but I'm not here to argue with you.
I now block you as I warned you.
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@davidculley They just added a birthDate field to userdb. So it is now possible to add a birth date to user accounts on systems using systemd. And you call this fascism? Did I miss something?
@chefx@defcon.social And in the 1940s, IBM just collected the religion of some folks.
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@drwho @davidculley And he’ll block anyone for suggesting it should be removed.
@schrotthaufen @davidculley Yep. Which I believe has already happened several times.
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California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
Too bad the systemd developers already complied with fascism in advance before the bills were even finalized.
Will Lennart Poettering and his followers now please remove the birthDate field from systemd?
P.S.: If you reply with any variation of "You need to calm down," I will block you.
Colorado and California age verification bills exempt open source operating systems
Remember all the ruckus with various US states introducing operating-system level age verification laws? Colorado and California thankfully exempt open source.
GamingOnLinux (www.gamingonlinux.com)
@davidculley as predicted, alpine would ultimately have to do nothing. so we did nothing.
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@LukefromDC Yes. And when IBM was confronted about their dark past and their role in enabling genocide and fascism, IBM infamously said "We are not historians". Meaning, "Let the past be the past." They wish.
IBM acquired Red Hat in 2018 and that's why you can't trust anything developed by Red Hat.
