California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
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California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
Too bad the systemd developers already complied with fascism in advance before the bills were even finalized.
Will Lennart Poettering and his followers now please remove the birthDate field from systemd?
P.S.: If you reply with any variation of "You need to calm down," I will block you.
Colorado and California age verification bills exempt open source operating systems
Remember all the ruckus with various US states introducing operating-system level age verification laws? Colorado and California thankfully exempt open source.
GamingOnLinux (www.gamingonlinux.com)
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California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
Too bad the systemd developers already complied with fascism in advance before the bills were even finalized.
Will Lennart Poettering and his followers now please remove the birthDate field from systemd?
P.S.: If you reply with any variation of "You need to calm down," I will block you.
Colorado and California age verification bills exempt open source operating systems
Remember all the ruckus with various US states introducing operating-system level age verification laws? Colorado and California thankfully exempt open source.
GamingOnLinux (www.gamingonlinux.com)
Poettering is distinguished by his uniquely elliptical effort to build what ends up being a sort of baroque kill switch for #linux.
Finally and at long last, the problem Lennart's ever-expanding and insatiably hungry ''solution'' was looking for!
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California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
Too bad the systemd developers already complied with fascism in advance before the bills were even finalized.
Will Lennart Poettering and his followers now please remove the birthDate field from systemd?
P.S.: If you reply with any variation of "You need to calm down," I will block you.
Colorado and California age verification bills exempt open source operating systems
Remember all the ruckus with various US states introducing operating-system level age verification laws? Colorado and California thankfully exempt open source.
GamingOnLinux (www.gamingonlinux.com)
@davidculley Proprietary Linux distributions will still need stuff like this. Ideally it keeps unused until a corp like Valve needs it to comply with the laws.
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California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
Too bad the systemd developers already complied with fascism in advance before the bills were even finalized.
Will Lennart Poettering and his followers now please remove the birthDate field from systemd?
P.S.: If you reply with any variation of "You need to calm down," I will block you.
Colorado and California age verification bills exempt open source operating systems
Remember all the ruckus with various US states introducing operating-system level age verification laws? Colorado and California thankfully exempt open source.
GamingOnLinux (www.gamingonlinux.com)
@davidculley He absolutely will not.
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@davidculley He absolutely will not.
@drwho Yes, the last I read was them saying, the birthDate field shouldn't be in systemd, it should be in the *kernel*.
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@drwho Yes, the last I read was them saying, the birthDate field shouldn't be in systemd, it should be in the *kernel*.
@davidculley Yup.
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California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
Too bad the systemd developers already complied with fascism in advance before the bills were even finalized.
Will Lennart Poettering and his followers now please remove the birthDate field from systemd?
P.S.: If you reply with any variation of "You need to calm down," I will block you.
Colorado and California age verification bills exempt open source operating systems
Remember all the ruckus with various US states introducing operating-system level age verification laws? Colorado and California thankfully exempt open source.
GamingOnLinux (www.gamingonlinux.com)
@davidculley These laws shouldn't exist at all, but I do hope this mitigates most of the jeopardy to my friends' and communities' well being.
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California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
Too bad the systemd developers already complied with fascism in advance before the bills were even finalized.
Will Lennart Poettering and his followers now please remove the birthDate field from systemd?
P.S.: If you reply with any variation of "You need to calm down," I will block you.
Colorado and California age verification bills exempt open source operating systems
Remember all the ruckus with various US states introducing operating-system level age verification laws? Colorado and California thankfully exempt open source.
GamingOnLinux (www.gamingonlinux.com)
I think my first objection to systemd was centralisation of control, though even I hadn't really linked the philosophical alignment to political centralisation of control until they complied in advance.
I can't imagine them thinking that their compliance, their collection of data, could possibly ever be a bad thing.
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@drwho Yes, the last I read was them saying, the birthDate field shouldn't be in systemd, it should be in the *kernel*.
@davidculley @drwho in the Windows kernel
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California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
Too bad the systemd developers already complied with fascism in advance before the bills were even finalized.
Will Lennart Poettering and his followers now please remove the birthDate field from systemd?
P.S.: If you reply with any variation of "You need to calm down," I will block you.
Colorado and California age verification bills exempt open source operating systems
Remember all the ruckus with various US states introducing operating-system level age verification laws? Colorado and California thankfully exempt open source.
GamingOnLinux (www.gamingonlinux.com)
What? i hadn't heard about this. What an insane move!
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@davidculley Proprietary Linux distributions will still need stuff like this. Ideally it keeps unused until a corp like Valve needs it to comply with the laws.
SteamOS is not proprietary last I checked… it’s open source like the others.
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SteamOS is not proprietary last I checked… it’s open source like the others.
@amd From the linked source:
> Considering SteamOS includes Valve's proprietary bits for the Steam client, this likely still applies to Valve and any hardware shipping with SteamOS including the Steam Deck, Steam Frame, Steam Machine and the Legion Go S.
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@amd From the linked source:
> Considering SteamOS includes Valve's proprietary bits for the Steam client, this likely still applies to Valve and any hardware shipping with SteamOS including the Steam Deck, Steam Frame, Steam Machine and the Legion Go S.
@davidculley I see where Liam wrote that.
But I don’t understand where he got that idea.
The CA bill doesn’t seem to have a carve out for (paraphrasing the argument) ‘open source but includes proprietary bits’:
“(j) (1) “Operating system provider” means a person or entity that develops, licenses, or controls the operating system software on a computer, mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device.
(2) “Operating system provider” does not mean a person or entity that distributes an operating system or application under license terms that permit a recipient to copy, redistribute, and modify the software.“Steam will clearly need age verification…and already has it…but the OS doesn’t seem to need it.
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What? i hadn't heard about this. What an insane move!
@moriel Here they added it: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954
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@davidculley I see where Liam wrote that.
But I don’t understand where he got that idea.
The CA bill doesn’t seem to have a carve out for (paraphrasing the argument) ‘open source but includes proprietary bits’:
“(j) (1) “Operating system provider” means a person or entity that develops, licenses, or controls the operating system software on a computer, mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device.
(2) “Operating system provider” does not mean a person or entity that distributes an operating system or application under license terms that permit a recipient to copy, redistribute, and modify the software.“Steam will clearly need age verification…and already has it…but the OS doesn’t seem to need it.
@amd @davidculley I'm sure Valve is observing the issue closely and their lawyers are already working overtime on it. Will they go to court over it? Only if there's a chance they could win this argument. I'm no lawyer. And even lawyers can err on this. Or judges.
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@amd @davidculley I'm sure Valve is observing the issue closely and their lawyers are already working overtime on it. Will they go to court over it? Only if there's a chance they could win this argument. I'm no lawyer. And even lawyers can err on this. Or judges.
@fluchtkapsel @amd @davidculley I don't know about CO, but in CA's case, the law was signed as a hollow shell. It was framework meant to be made workable with amendments.
So now we have clarification on OSS projects, but I suppose SteamOS is still in a bit of a legal gray area.
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California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
Too bad the systemd developers already complied with fascism in advance before the bills were even finalized.
Will Lennart Poettering and his followers now please remove the birthDate field from systemd?
P.S.: If you reply with any variation of "You need to calm down," I will block you.
Colorado and California age verification bills exempt open source operating systems
Remember all the ruckus with various US states introducing operating-system level age verification laws? Colorado and California thankfully exempt open source.
GamingOnLinux (www.gamingonlinux.com)
@davidculley Let us know who you block so I can block them, too.
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California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
Too bad the systemd developers already complied with fascism in advance before the bills were even finalized.
Will Lennart Poettering and his followers now please remove the birthDate field from systemd?
P.S.: If you reply with any variation of "You need to calm down," I will block you.
Colorado and California age verification bills exempt open source operating systems
Remember all the ruckus with various US states introducing operating-system level age verification laws? Colorado and California thankfully exempt open source.
GamingOnLinux (www.gamingonlinux.com)
@davidculley
We need to do the opposite of calm down -
@davidculley He absolutely will not.
@drwho @davidculley And he’ll block anyone for suggesting it should be removed.
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California and Colorado legislated that Linux distributions, being free and open-source, are exempt from the age verification in operating systems, unless they are proprietary like SteamOS (and Windows).
Too bad the systemd developers already complied with fascism in advance before the bills were even finalized.
Will Lennart Poettering and his followers now please remove the birthDate field from systemd?
P.S.: If you reply with any variation of "You need to calm down," I will block you.
Colorado and California age verification bills exempt open source operating systems
Remember all the ruckus with various US states introducing operating-system level age verification laws? Colorado and California thankfully exempt open source.
GamingOnLinux (www.gamingonlinux.com)
@davidculley You need to... spread the word !
I didn't know about systemd. Thank you !
