People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.
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@futurebird I'm old enough to remember when bin gangs consisted of a driver and four guys to collect, carry, empty into lorry and return the bins to the house. I wonder how he'd react if he were spirited back to those day
@capnthommo @futurebird When I was a kid we had blokes who emptied our 'bucket and chuck-it' toilet that way. My parents relied on that until they died in the 1980s. One reason I loathe aristocrats and am sceptical about the National Trust who took over the estate in the 70s and failed to modernise the cottages.
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@DavidM_yeg @billiglarper @david_chisnall
My big concern is the same as Fran talks about in this video. When companies try to implement these systems they find ways to do it that steal public space. Why can't the robots park inside of your business and charge there? No room? Huh. Interesting.
Looking at the robots the first thing I think of is that in NYC people would sit on them. (which will be very funny) So that design won't last at least.
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Idea: robot bench networks. wanders the city looking for people to sit on it, learns to find where the largest number of people want to sit and only leaves there when that region is saturated with bench robots. As soon as empty, robot wanders in search of more sitters. Bench robots dispense media about how to build more bench robots. -
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My big concern is the same as Fran talks about in this video. When companies try to implement these systems they find ways to do it that steal public space. Why can't the robots park inside of your business and charge there? No room? Huh. Interesting.
Looking at the robots the first thing I think of is that in NYC people would sit on them. (which will be very funny) So that design won't last at least.
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Stealing public space is a looong tradition… and most people become peculiarly blind to that space. Case in point: all the valuable public space eaten up by the automotive industry and private cars
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Yeah, that is tough. I think we get three bin men round our way: one to drive, two to do the bins.
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I'm struggling to even getting myself into the headspace where two people working a truck is upsetting to me.
Maybe this person works for UPS or some delivery company where drivers work alone and it is often *very dangerous*. (but just workable I guess? They still block traffic all the time) and they want everyone to suffer?
How do you look at a $7,000,000 patriot missile and get mad about more people being employed in the very honorable and *life-saving* work of collecting garbage?
@futurebird I find it useful to assume that the US has a caste system and these people think they’re a part of the upper caste. It’s the same with guns, for example. It all comes down to expressions of power and the expectation that others should suffer as a part of the natural order. It’s a fundamentally vibes-based perspective.
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People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.
I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.
I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.
@futurebird That person is an ignorant fool. No surprise in a nation full of them.
Trashed: Inside the Deadly World of Private Garbage Collection
Waste removal is one of the most dangerous jobs in the country. On the darkened streets of New York City, it’s a race for survival.
ProPublica (www.propublica.org)
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People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.
I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.
I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.
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Same idiots would definitely complain if it took twice as long to get the garbage picked up (if it happens at all) when the second person goes away -
@futurebird hi I was in an adjacent industry for some years
TRASH IS FUCKING DANGEROUS. It's not just that there could be sharps, there definitely ARE sharps. There are pressurized cannisters and car batteries and gas cans improperly disposed of. There are live animals with diseases. There's heavy shit and gross shit and actual shit shit. Illegal shit and shit packed so it moves unexpectedly and could collapse. Falling shit and flying shit. The second guy is there to save the first guy's life.
@Linza @futurebird absolutely. Worked for a few months in the waste management department of my county council once. They employed a chemist full time to advise, monitor, test and enforce control of what went into simple landfill to ensure there weren't any 'unfortunate' reactions. Because people will try and get away with all kinds of sketchy, and ultimately deadly, shit. And that's just with burying it underground. (Back then that was where most of it went)
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People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.
I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.
I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.
@futurebird It's a constant refrain with the subway too. Sorry, the conductor checking the doors before the train leaves the station is not the reason for the TA being needlessly expensive, it's the billions handed out to machine connected contracting firms and I'm so sick of every "urbanist" with a youtube/substack laundering this shit
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@baishen @futurebird This is all very "Protestant work ethics", classism, and trying to find ways to be a dick to others on the basis of some bullshit reason to feel superior to them.
@Illuminatus @baishen @futurebird if you follow the trail backwards to the root of all these selfish, capitalist, power-hungry mindsets, you always end up at the same place: the desire for domination.
all human interaction is rooted either in domination or cooperation. having power over someone versus sacrificing control in order to work together. even Wilhoit's Law (which remains undefeated) is rooted in this: the desire for in-groups and out-groups is a mechanism for exerting dominance.
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@webhat @futurebird @Illuminatus @baishen here in the UK, the people who were turning up for work every day and keeping the country going were generally those who work the worst hours, in some of the worst conditions, and generally get paid the least.
When the return to work orders went out, we were hoping to get OUR 6 months off at 80% pay or whatever it was, but no, we had to keep on going in, because everyone was now back at work, so no time off!
And those who had had months off work on 80% pay complained about how tired they were, being back at work, and how much they were looking forward to the next bank holiday (national holiday) the following weekend.
I'll give you 1 guess who worked the bank holiday!
Yep, the "Essential Workers", the "Key Workers", the people who had to keep going to work for 100% pay when everyone else seemed to be getting 80% pay for completing Netflix and Prime and publicly wondering when exactly was the right time to switch from day time pyjamas to night time pyjamas.
And the worst part - the company sent out posters to each location at the start of the lockdowns, encouraging those who could work from home to do so.
Yeah, the shelves in the supermarket are going to be really full if I try doing that job from home, but people at Head Orifice could work remotely.
Yeah, we keep the country (and the company!) running, how about some pay, and some respect.@stuartb @webhat @futurebird @Illuminatus @baishen yes. You can't pay your bills with Thursday night eight o'clock clapping can you. However kindly some people meant it. Of course, some only used it as a photo op "see. See how much we care and how we're just like you" (yes, I'm looking at you, farage, johnson and company)
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People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.
I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.
I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.
@futurebird wait there are only two workers per truck?
We* usually have 3-5, one driver with the rest collecting bins* were I am in Germany, no idea for the rest of it
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People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.
I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.
I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.
@futurebird everyone knows rich people are motivated by getting more money and poor people are motivated by getting less money. (/s)
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People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.
I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.
I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.
@futurebird
If one person takes three times as long to do the job, getting rid of one of them is not a sound financial decision.Trash is usually thrown in the back, opposite end as the cabin. Putting one person at each end saves a lot of walking back and forth.
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@DavidM_yeg @billiglarper @david_chisnall
My big concern is the same as Fran talks about in this video. When companies try to implement these systems they find ways to do it that steal public space. Why can't the robots park inside of your business and charge there? No room? Huh. Interesting.
Looking at the robots the first thing I think of is that in NYC people would sit on them. (which will be very funny) So that design won't last at least.
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In the video, the part about the US prohibiting a Chinese radio telescope in Argentina is infuriating.
If MAGA wanted to compete with Chinese science they wouldn't have defunded all the US science. They just don't want any science anywhere.
'Anything good must be destroyed, even if it's none of our business.'
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@imikotoba @futurebird One garbage company here tried it with one worker per truck but they quickly went back to two. I don't know why; maybe you need fewer trucks with two workers, or maybe people refused to work solo like that.
The truck is the expensive item here, not the workers.
The people who are upset about two workers per truck have likely never done heavy labor before.
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People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.
I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.
I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.
@futurebird When the rules change based on who it is, Wilhoit’s law demonstrates that it is conservatism, it’s essence.
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@futurebird When the rules change based on who it is, Wilhoit’s law demonstrates that it is conservatism, it’s essence.
@gimulnautti @futurebird If your first response to hearing about children being killed is to ask who's kids, there's something wrong with you.
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@futurebird Reminds me of the joke about the guy who will do anything to protect his family but he just means killing someone. Not anything actually useful like making sure the kids are clean, well fed, getting with housework, etc.
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Meatloaf Proviso - When a statement of dedication contains specifically exempted forms of service to be defined at a later time. -
People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.
I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.
I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.
@futurebird exactly!
Besides a driver upfront & two workers at the rear are the standard even in Europe, because most garbage trucks can take 1 big or twovregular/small containers at the same time and they do workflow to maximize the amount of containers they empty per time.
- There's a reason this job even has a traineeship program in Germany, and it's not just due to safety reasons, but because it is a demanding job.
- And the people doing this filthy job certainly deserve their paycheck, if not a hefty raise on top of the "Filthyness Premium".
Cuz unlike value-removing Billionaires, they do provide a vital service and prevent cities from choking in their own filth!
- Everyone who claims otherwise is a useful idiot who ate up classist propaganda.
#Garbage #Workers #ValueRemoving #Billionaires #UsefulIdiots #Classism #Propaganda
- There's a reason this job even has a traineeship program in Germany, and it's not just due to safety reasons, but because it is a demanding job.
